That damn Bell’s, sancerre & me….
July 20, 2008
I
A can of ale, three nights ago,
Alone and balefully loitering;
The fridge is where I always look
For the slaking.
II
But that can fail’d me; not enough!
So piss’d off that the beer’s all gone!
The squirrel’s gran’ry may be full,
But my fridge is done.
III
There is a shop just up the road:
Refreshments moist, some amber dew,
And (with a cheque) a fresh rosé:
Fast run thereto!
IV
I know a lady in that shop
Not all that young; a fifties child.
Her eyes are cross’d, her foot not light,
And her hair is wild.
V
I made a beeline for the beer
Some bottles too – a fragrant Beaune;
She star’d at me as I did shop;
And made me moan.
VI
I paid her with a bouncing cheque,
And promis’d I’d be back ere long,
Then sidl’d off with bottled clinks
And beery song.
VII
I slunk back next day hellish sweet,
To buy some mild, and whisky too,
And in a language strange she said -
“I have needs too”….
VIII
She took me to the storage room,
And there I wept and sigh’d some more,
And there I shut my eyes and paid;
There, on the floor.
IX
And when she was at last asleep,
And dreaming of – Ah! woe betide!
The fastest dash I ever dash’d,
To the cold outside.
X
Yet: I need more ale, more whisky too:
Ale warrior as I was, for all
I tried – that well-built dame sans merci
Hath me by the balls….
XI
I see her starv’d lips in the morn
With horrid warning gap’d full wide
When I awake and find her still here;
Me on the quiltless side.
XII
And this is why – I still need beer;
Though unalone and balefully loitering,
At least the fridge is full when I look
For the slaking….
July 20, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I can’t decide if you have a drinking problem, a Keats problem, a poetry problem or a fiscal prudence problem.
Swell parody, by the way.
July 20, 2008 at 6:19 pm
…actually, there might be a sex-with-middle-aged-shop-assistants problem as well.
July 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm
….problems: what problems….?
July 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Fine parody, cs: you should have posted it on the POW.
I’ve got loads of shoots coming through on the older bamboos which I don’t want. I’ve been wondering if it’s possible to eat them. Have you ever had a nibble?
How’s the tooth, Mishari? I’m thinking of reformatting the old computer. Mind if I email you when I completely fuck it up?
July 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I wouldn’t advise it unless you happen to be a panda….on the other hand, I believe one can buy tinned bamboo shoots….don’t really know whether garden bamboos are edible….
July 20, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I think I saw fresh bamboo shoots for sale in a possibly Vietnamese supermarket in Paris a few years ago. I suppose it could have been the pet food section since the signage was in a language unfamiliar to me (ie French).
On the same street was a medical supplies shop which prominently displayed a wax model of a vulva, complete with hair. Every day we had to arrange ourselves to hide this exhibit from our kids as we walked past, not (or not only) from prudery but so as to escape the tiresome deluge of questions which would inevitably follow. It’s not something you would ever see in Ryde. Well, not in a shop window, anyway.
July 21, 2008 at 12:11 am
The tooth’s fine, thanks,MM. The one vital thing you have to do when re-formatting your drive is to back up your device drivers. It’s where so many re-installations go wrong. Let me know what your installing, (XP, or..?) and I’ll tell you exactly how to do it. Done properly, it’s fairly simple and pain-free.
July 21, 2008 at 12:30 am
Liked your Beefheart tribute, by the way. Some albums are great, (Spotlight Kid, Bluejeans and Moonbeams, Safe As Milk) and some are unlistenable unless you’re seriously warped on good drugs, (Trout Mask Replica, Lick My Decals Off, Baby), but on the whole, Van Vleit was A Good Thing.
July 21, 2008 at 12:32 am
Thanks. It’s XP. I have all the re-installation discs which came with it.
July 21, 2008 at 12:46 am
If you have the discs that came with the machine, you shouldn’t have any probs. Feel free to send up a distress flare if you have any problems, though.
Always happy to be of service to the quality, squire…
July 21, 2008 at 12:49 am
Nice to hear you say Trout Mask is rubbish. I’ve never liked it but people have been telling me how great it is for the last 40 years. Clear Spot gets my vote as his best.
July 21, 2008 at 12:52 am
Should you have any problems, I’d be happy to send you a copy of XP Pro SP 3 on a CD-R that installs quickly and cleanly and another disk with Driver Genius on it, which will automatically back-up and re-install all your drivers. It’s there if you need it.
July 21, 2008 at 12:54 am
Yeah, I’ve never understood otherwise sane people droning on about Trout Mask, which I find frankly irksome. You’re right about Clear Spot. When CB was good, he was very good and when he was bad, well…
July 21, 2008 at 11:46 am
I like Trout Mask Replica, when in certain moods – although I haven’t listened to it in a long time. But increasingly I do tend to listen to the other (later) albums, if I want to listen to Beefheart.
I once built my own computer and every time it went slightly wrong (which it did), I’d erase the entire hard drive and re-install the operating system. It was a very radical solution, but usually kept me calmer than trying to solve whatever problem I was confronted with.
July 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm
doggerel,
just marvellous. Brilliant. I could explain why…
July 21, 2008 at 12:21 pm
“But her comments* have drawn the wrath of many of Britain’s leading poets. Ian McMillan, presenter of BBC Radio 3’s The Verb, poet in residence at Barnsley football club and a contender for the next Poet Laureate, accused Lumley of being ill-informed.
‘I suspect that she hasn’t read very widely because she’s ignoring the fact that poetry in the 21st century is a broad church,’ he said. ‘It’s sad and frustrating that people can still come up with generalisations like this. You shouldn’t be able to get poems on the first reading.” – Grauniad, today.
*Joanna Lumley, who in an introduction to a book of verse, accused modern poetry of being too obscure, self-indulgent, etc, etc.
While, on the whole, I agree with McMillan, the “you shouldn’t be able to get poems on the first reading..” bollocks went up my nose like a fucking homing pigeon. What utter twaddle. And this from a man whose own verse is simple enough to make Mother Goose seem like the last word in crytograms.
obooki, a clean re-install is something I do every six months or so. It’s not really that radical, if you’re in the habit of backing your stuff up to disc or other drive or whatever. Half an hour or so and another half-hour of tweaking and configuration to your taste and bingo, a machine that runs like it’s brand-new. I recommend it to anyone whose machine has slowed to a crawl, gives lots of error messages, crashes a lot or just isn’t behaving itself.
Also a good idea to find out what’s starting up with Windows, slowing things down and consuming resources. Friends are astonished when I show them all the useless crap that adds itself to their startup without asking, ( a pet hatred of mine). I’ve got exactly three apps that start up with XP, (I mostly use Mandriva at the moment, anyway): Nod32 anti-virus, Superantispyware and Rocket Dock. That’s it. From hitting the power button to up and running is about 15-20 seconds.
Judging by what I read and hear, most people wait up to 2-3 minutes for Windows to be ready. Sheesh…
July 21, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Did it really say of McMillan “a contender for the next Poet Laureate”….? Maybe I should put a tenner on him then….
Was childishly delighted last night when, finally opening the collected Bunting (Basil, not Madelaine….), I found he’d used the word “centrifugal” in the very first piece (this after I’d only an hour or so previously twatted around with both “centrifugal” & “centripetal” on Billy’s thread….)
July 21, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Yep. The fact that he’d even consider the position lowers him a great deal in my estimation. Mind you, maybe he isn’t even aware of being in the running.
I shall cerainly put your name up, cs, next time Betty commands my presence at one of her tedious bun-fights, just to give you the inestimable pleasure of turning it down like a bed-spread.
July 21, 2008 at 12:57 pm
More great quotes from that article:
Liz Cowley (for whose poems Lumley wrote the intro): “Poetry is so obscure and inward-looking that it loses people – Carol Ann Duffy, for example, is almost impossible for anyone who has not been well-educated to understand; or it’s material for a stand-up comedian, like Pam Ayres, with plonky metre.”
Dannie Abse: “In the old days people said modern poetry was obscure, but now people everywhere read it. It is true that most poetry is very bad, but this is true of all poetry in all times.”
http://books.guardian.co.uk/poetry/features/0,,2291904,00.html
Must get myself one of those plonkimeters….
July 21, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Minerva has now retired and I am about to do another post using Iamnothere’s old email address.
July 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Well bamboo, I did wait to see if you were alright; from what I gather here that is the case.
July 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Wiping the hard drive is a fairly radical solution if it’s used as your response to any small problem though. – I don’t suppose you have any idea how to stop my Vista loading my DVD player on start-up – as far as I can see, it’s not registered to run on start-up, but it still does.
Haha, guess what book I bought today in the charity shop? – It was Tony O’Neill’s Digging the Vein! (I grinned away to myself as soon as I saw it). – There was quite a lot of “transgressive” fiction actually – I bought Borroughs’ Junky too. Probably donated due to their previous owner overdosing, I should think.
July 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I think you’ll find, cs, that that’s a ‘plonkometer’, ( manufactured by the firm of Verse Assesors to the Queen, Whitelipped&Trembling, patent pending).
You’re right, of course, obooki; for niggles it’s too drastic, although sometimes a niggle will drive me insane with frustration and I will institute the Carthaginian solution, ie, raze the city and sow the fields with salt.
Re: your Vista problem. I’ve never used Vista on any of my machines nor do I ever intend to. Bloated and resource hungry beyond belief, I’ve used it on other machines and hated it. I have two suggestions. 1. Open the DVD app’s interface, check ‘preferences’ and see if the ’start with Windows’ box is ticked, and 2. go to http://www.freewarefiles.com/Startup-Manager_program_35223.html.
It’s a highly rated, powerful and free and may well solve the problem.
Windows built-in version is crap.
A good start-up app is a very useful tool and will give you far more info and options than the built-in one. I know this is a really stupid question, so I apologize in advance, but is there a DVD in the drive that you’ve forgotten to remove?
July 21, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Yeah, I thought of that DVD in the drive business myself. – No, not always. – I may follow up with your freeware recommendation (and release 50 viruses into my computer no doubt). – Although I’m pretty used to the DVD thing now.
July 21, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Apropos an observation of obooki’s from a while back about comments from old threads returning to bite you: an idle vanity search recently led me to a blog where someone had revisited an old Cif thread on parapsychology….and had disinterred a comment of mine; amusingly, the blogger seemed to think I was supporting parapsych – I’ve sent a demurring thought message….
July 21, 2008 at 6:30 pm
obooki, it’s perfectly safe to download from freewarefiles. They’re a well-established site, (10 years and counting) and they scan all their stuff before posting it. I’ve used thenm for years and never once had a problem with nasties. They’re my first stop when I’m looking for some obscure app needed to perform some recondite function and then be uninstalled. Fear not!
cs, your powers are unquestionable; your addressing protocols, however, leave something to be desired. I received your demurral and wondered what the hell you were on about. Upgrade your targeting lobes.
July 21, 2008 at 6:39 pm
freep posted another cracker on Billy’s thread and I told him so. I can envisage becoming well and truly fed up his offensively effortless skill and having to tip my hat.
I can forsee the day when I dispatch my crack ninja assassins to deal with him. Mind you, they let me down badly on the Mills affair., though I suspect the luxuriant Mills face-furniture spooked them. Is freep clean-shaven, d’you know?
July 21, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Yes, freep is in another league altogether. I saw Matt Le Tissier play in a charity game here a few years ago. He came on in the second half, looked half-asleep for a while, then scored six goals in about ten minutes. None of the other players could get anywhere near him.
Thought I might tackle the computer tonight if there’s nowt on TV. Just finished season 2 of The Wire and season 3 hasn’t arrived yet. Those Amazonians are lazy sods.
July 21, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Effortless? Pooh! Spent all weekend thinking about an organ poem and several hours paring it down. Needed another two stanzas after number three but lost my way. Tuppence a word I reckon. But thanks chief(s). Your presences as acute readers give me reasons to do it.
July 21, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Small moustache. Recently lost beard after 44 years of chincover and still in state of grief. But it was too white.
Can deal with ninjas, have army of trained snails at my disposal.
July 21, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Small ‘tache? Hair plastered diagonally across forehead? Failed painter? Vegetarian? Dog-lover?
Hey, wait a minute…I’ve seen you somewhere before. On telly! That’s it! You’re that bloke off World at War! Pipe organs! They resemble artillery.It’s all beginning to make sense.
Hello, operator? Get me the Simon Wiesanthal Centre in Vienna…yes, I’ll hold. Poetry, foresooth…I’ll give you poetry, Mr. Poland…or should that be Schickelgruber?
July 21, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Too late, my friend. Mein operatives are everywhere. You may haf seen our ‘process vehicles’? We like to say our business is ‘logistical solutions’, but they are more final than many expect. We are even in the schools, where my colleagues ‘deliver the core curriculum’; it is one way of making sure the citizens of the future know that failure is unacceptable. Have you seen the little communications modules we allow them? You think these toys give freedom? Well, of course, I’m sure that this is a very useful freedom, guaranteed by those smiley faces that have hair diagon …
July 21, 2008 at 9:46 pm
ah, it makes my day. someone discovered my website by googling “delillo cosmopolis awful”. though strangely “luay abdulilah” has been the most popular this month. (i tip him (or her) for future literary success).
i tried your thing mishari. still can’t see any sign of my dvd player loading on start up. possibly i’ve just disabled a whole lot of other crucial things though.
July 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm
obooki,what DVD player-app are you using? If it’s not VLC, then I recommend you uninstall it or if it’s Windows Media Player, disable it, (WMP won’t allow you to uninstall it, though there are apps that allow you to circumvent Windows File Protection and do just that. Have you got a ‘Xerox’ folder in your program files? Ever tried to delete it? No go, right? Windows won’t allow you to delete lots of rubbish, but it can be thwarted).
Go into the Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs >
> Add/Remove Windows Components and disable WMP.
Download VLC Media Player from here:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Install and enjoy. It’s an excellent Open Source media player, containing virtually every audio or video codec you’re ever likely to come across. It’s fast, has a small footprint, is highly configurable and works an absolute treat. I’ve used it for 2 years now without a hiccup. Google “VLC media player, reviews” to see what people have to say about VLC.Lots of very enthusiastic users.
Have you, by the way, hit Ctrl+Alt+Del, and checked to see if the DVD player is running under ‘resources’ or ‘apps’?
Given the absurd state of Britain’s libel laws, you’ll probably get a letter from DeLillo’s briefs, demanding that you cease and desist damaging their clients reputation. Time to go into hiding. Perhaps freep will lend you his ‘tache…
July 21, 2008 at 10:58 pm
doggerelist,
From your 25, it appears you don’t believe in parapsychology. I do, in regard to telepathy and ESP. It can only happen when not interfered with and although possible with more, is best between two people, entry of thought patterns by others create confusion and distortion, making things hard to read. There is also the likelihood of conscious reckoning if a spoken submission is advanced.
At some point in time with each example, I would think very necessary to have validation, otherwise one walks blindly.
July 21, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Wouldn’t do much for mobile phone sales though Frances….
July 21, 2008 at 11:24 pm
It’s really eerie…I KNEW Frances was going to write that. Must get down to my bookies.
July 21, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I take it neither of you believe such; well it does show you how different we are.
But then of course you’re both obviously far more intelligent than I am. My children got their intelligence from their father, a Mensa man; I just had to learn how to argue and never give in.
July 22, 2008 at 12:32 am
Actually, Frances, I’m sceptical but I have seen cases that were well-documented enough to make me wonder. There is a well -known story of the writer/playwright August Strindberg, who was attending a party in his honour in Stockholm in the mid-19th century.
Strindberg, who had been relaxed and convivial, suddenly beacme very agitated. He stood up and announced to the other guests that he had to leave instantly. To go where? enquired his hosts and other guests. Home, said Strindberg, my house is on fire.
Strindberg lived in the far north of Sweden, some 3-400 miles from Stockholm. At the time, there was no telegraph or telephone connection between the two places. Strindberg made his way home, arriving some 3 days laer, to find his house burned to the ground. The fire had indeed begun on the night of the party, at the same time that Strindberg became agitated.
Witnesses to this were some of Sweden’s most prominent scientists, writers, politicians, scholars and industrialists. The facts are not disputed. What happened is not explained. Asked about it later, Srindberg himself was mystified, saying that he did not understand, but it had suddenly come to him with uter conviction. He simply KNEW that his home, 3-400 miles away, was on fire. What is one to think?
Obviously, (well, at least to me), most ‘practitioners’ of the usual sort of occult, ESP,astrology nonsense, etc are charlatans and frauds, scamming the gullible and vulnerable. But there are just enough cases that are not disputed to give anyone who is honest pause for thought. A recent example:
About 3-4 years ago, I read a story in the Independent London Metro news section that falls into this category.
A motorist driving on the M25 rang the police on his mobile phone to report that he had just seen a car leave the motorway at speed, crash through trees at the side of the road and come to rest in a copse invisible to the road. A large ball of flame then erupted over the spot. About 50 other motorists all told rang police and emergency services to report the same thing.
When emergency services, fire, police, arrived they went into the copse and discovered the reported car. It had indeed burned and there were the charred remains of two men in the car.
The problem was that it was clear to attending fire and police that this crash and fire had happened over a year before. The state of the car, plant growth, the state of the skeletons- all told the same story. The men turned out to be known criminals, the car to be stolen and reported so over a year prior. Forensic confirmed what the police and fire men had already assumed.
The car and its occupants had been there for over a year.
So 50 or so motorists all saw an accident that had actually happened over a year before. I scanned all the papers to see if this very strange story would be followed up. Nada. I guess it was just to weird. That was the last I heard of the incident.
So what happened? Did all those witnesses pass through some sort of brief temporal anomaly that allowed them to all see an accident that had happened over a year ago? Search me. I don’t know what to think. It happened. It’s a mystery.
So I’m pretty open-minded about strange phenomena.
I assume there will be a rational explanation, but I don’t assume that it’s axiomatic. Some things are just inexplicable in rational terms. Mostly, though, I admit I am deeply sceptical.
July 22, 2008 at 12:49 am
I’m feeling pretty disillusioned about blogging at the moment. We’ve known for a couple of weeks that a couple of posts from Michele’s blog have been scraped & now adorn some rather unpleasant sites. Given that these are blogspot blogs, you’d probably think it’s easy to get them removed. Huh. Blogger (a subsidiary of google) couldn’t give a fuck. We’ve also reported them to Adsense (another google subsidiary) – but don’t hold your breath. Michele, it goes without saying, is very upset.
These first two incidents we only noticed as they linked directly to my blog here, & thus they showed up on my stats page. Now, searching for phrases from her other posts, I find almost everything she’s posted has been filched – with each post posted on a different blog, which adds to the work involved in getting them removed. We’re going to have to submit a score or so of DMCA notices; fortunately Jonathan from
http://www.plagiarismtoday.com
has offered some advice in that respect.
Until we get this sorted, I’m not sure I’ll be posting anything new here.
July 22, 2008 at 12:59 am
I could site a couple of incidences that have verifiable witnesses.
I’ll put it this way, I believe the body has a force field surrounding it, electrically charged, if a thought was sent via this charge……However there has to be a willing, available receptor.
What is a radio wave? It operates on a similar principle.
Have you ever not had an alarm clock and needed to wake up at a certain time; programmed your mind, set the internal clock for say 5am? I generally wake then around 4.45am. Mind you, if really important, I do book an early morning wake-up call.
Not into the occult at all.
A friend of mine has a very good saying, “don’t think negatively, if you do, you give negativity power.” I try to remember!
…
Now I’m going for a walk; it’s good, I just say ‘good morning’ or ‘nice day’ with a smile. It exercises the muscles in the face; the walking takes care of some others!
July 22, 2008 at 1:34 am
So, to clarify, cs: some scumbag has nicked Michele’s posts and re-posted them on other blogs as their own work? It seems, (aside from the ethical issue), extraordinarily bone-headed, given Google et al’s ability to search a single phrase.
Are they just too dim or too lazy to re-write the stuff, giving it the semblance, (albeit spurious), of originality? I’ve discovered various poems of mine posted on peoples blogs but they do give me the credit and cite the Grauniad as source.
I confess, I’m a bit baffled by this thing with M.’s posts. Are these people who have hand-fashioned jewellery-design businesses? I mean, are these for-profit operators? And why on earth would they link back to your blog, given that that would put any visitor a click away from Michele’s original posts. All rather puzzling to me. Out of curiosity, what can you actually do about this? Can you demand that the ISP or the blog provider remove the offending posts?
I don’t know how nuch joy you’ll get there, cs. Given the vast amount of pirated software, films and music openly available on millions of blogs, all of it perfectly blatant, and given the fact that internet file-hosting services like rapidshare, Usenet, megaupload, filesend and many, many others, whose virtually sole raison d’etre is to host pirated software, films and music, and given that the major players- the studios, record companies and software makers-can’t stop them…well, I don’t know how much satisfaction you can expect.
Good luck, though, and if there’s anything I can do to help….
I don’t know if you’re aware, but there is software available that allows you to select a piece of writing, from say some blog, paste it into this app, and not only will it re-write the piece while apparently retaining the sense of it, but will then post the nicked and re-writen post on up to 50 blogs simultaneously.
Perhaps you should have an acrostic of your name somewhere in every piece you write, a bit like a watermark.
July 22, 2008 at 1:57 am
Mishari – scraping is apparently a common occurrence – stolen content is just used to draw people in to porn sites and other ad-heavy sites or to deposit malware on unsuspecting visitors. WordPress apparently deal with it efficiently – if they are notified that a wordpress blog is hosting such spam, they’re deleted immediately. Blogger are notoriously unconcerned – it’s far less easy to contact them to complain about stolen material hosted on their blogs (they ask for *fax* or *mail*, and won’t accept complaints via email, ffs….)
Quite apart from the sordid feeling one gets knowing that one’s words & pics are being used in such a way, when the search engines notice identical copies of text they downgrade them – so it’s more difficult to attract visitors to the original site.
I’ve also had a few small snippets of my stuff nicked & used in this way – but following the links when one does a vanity search is treacherous – I’ve found myself on looped porn sites doing so. So if I search for “cynicalsteve” I can’t always tell whether the link is to a fellow doggerel enthusiast or a scraper without visiting – catch 22….
I was just about to close comments on this site as I don’t feel like writing anything more until we’ve closed down those blogger sites – there are more than a dozen of them….and there are other sites too where Michele’s work has been nicked – plain old (dot)com sites where one has first to work out who to complain to, before one can do anything. Bastards. Anyway, I’ll defer a decision on closing comments here until tomorrow.
July 22, 2008 at 3:36 am
dgg,
I haven’t checked, but shouldn’t M have the kind of Creative Commons licence forbidding ‘derivatives’ of her work posted prominently on her excellent site? . . . that’s for the future.
Have sent specific ideas for dealing with the latest wave of infractions to you by email.
July 22, 2008 at 5:37 am
Not that it’s any of my business, cs, and do tell me to sod off if you like, but…I’m curious. How were you first alerted to the fact that M.’s posts were being abused in this way?
I would imagine that, short of googling every sentence one ever posted, one could pootle along in blissful ignorance for years without finding out that one had been messsed with in this way…
July 22, 2008 at 5:56 am
We-eeellllll, COW-A-BUNGA . .. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure took long enough, but seems like GU paid some mind to our bitchin’ ‘n’ moanin’. . . Anyone seen the new books page saves you the troubl’a lookin’ at the b*tt-ugly booksblog’s tabl’a contennts?
Trickster guys doin’ yer soft-shoe shuffle, gushy manipulative gals supportin’ yer idea of a reeel pome-writer, barf pink box highlightin’ yer borin’ ‘n’ set-yer-snorin’-so-hard-coulda-killed-ya pome hed-posts. . . ‘bye-bye babes, babies baaaaa-bye-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! . . . A whole new way ter navigate that there booksblog’s came to town tonite.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-HA!
July 22, 2008 at 7:27 am
?
July 22, 2008 at 7:45 am
Hey mishari jest a whole new way to get to the GU folkses b-blog. No need to start with blog’s front page and lose yer breakfast lookin’ in sicko picko box to see what’s cookin’ — cooked-up’s more like it if you kwim, specially them pome commentarians. See bottom left, this page, for alternative route, free of ballot-box stuffers -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books prestochange-o!
July 22, 2008 at 8:16 am
..still devoted to your conspiracy monomania, I see. Ballot-box stuffers? You should get together with David Icke and Lyndon LaRue. You’d have a lot to talk about. Well, perhaps less with LaRue, who I believe is dead…or is he? The truth is out there…
Anyway, the books page, (as opposed to the book *blogs*), has always been there. What next? Shock revelation of Pope’s Catholicism? I’m getting too old for these kinds of shocks.
July 22, 2008 at 8:20 am
stop press from sydney:
the pope has left the building
July 22, 2008 at 9:06 am
Para, in 1979, Pope John Paul George Ringo made what I believe was the first visit by a Pope to the US. I was living in Boston, Mass. at the time, his first port of call and a city with a large Catholic population.
An artist friend of mine made up 500 t-shirts with the Coca-Cola script and motto modified to read: Pope Adds Life! on the front. He sold them out in 15 minutes flat.
“I wish I’d made 10,000 of the fuckers”, he told me, shaking his head mournfully.
Did you get a foot-wash and pedicure from the ex-Hitler Youth? I understand it’s a service he regularly provides, along with unsound sex advice.
July 22, 2008 at 9:18 am
“Anyway, the books page, (as opposed to the book *blogs*), has always been there. ”
Sure ’nuff, but you couldn’t get such a long listin’ of all the newbies on the blogs there before . . . heh . . . Only a person who believes in ’spiracy theories keeps seein’ ‘em under the bed. No ’spiracy just box-stuffin’ out in the open and gushgushgush . . . now gone. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !
July 22, 2008 at 9:27 am
stayed well away mish – didn’t even try to get in spitting distance of herr ratzinger (pbuheil), plenty of contact with the pilgrims though who seemed to be everywhere – all smiles, guitars, crosses, hummed hymns, and probably atrocious fungal infections given the communal showering facilities at el papa’s campsite.
July 22, 2008 at 10:57 am
Yeah, I get referrals from weird sites. There are sites I look at and I don’t understand them – they just seem to be random digests of information culled from other sites – often they’re wordpress / blogger and I just can’t understand the point of them. Usually though they’re just old comments from GU. One is being used to advertise Japanese Hentai, along with a BM comment on the same thread.
July 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Anyhow, don’t stop blogging. What would we do? – I think generally people understand about the proliferation of porn on the net.
July 22, 2008 at 2:14 pm
A couple of points on the scraping issue in response to comments above:
Original content posted online is copyright whether or not one puts a fancy symbol or warning notice alongside. There’s no evidence that I’m aware of suggesting that copyright thieves discriminate between marked & unmarked content.
As to how we first became aware – two of Michele’s posts which were stolen contained live embedded links to this site – the wordpress stats page shows these as “incoming links” & that’s where I spotted them. As yet, no-one’s actually clicked from there to here….
Otherwise, the only way to know if you’ve had material stolen is to google a unique phrase from each individual blog post – not forgetting then to click on the bit at the end of the search results which reveals the “similar results to these”.
To be honest, had it been just my stuff from here that had been extensively plagiarised (bear in mind that these people don’t steal on the basis of quality, so it’s not such an outlandish suggestion….), I’d have been less upset – although bear in mind that all my stuff published on this blog is copyright and I have every intention of stopping unauthorised copying. But Michele’s blog is an adjunct of her jewellery site so there are commercial implications.
What really riles about the business of scraping is the attitude of some template providers – Blogger being by far the worst – who don’t seem bothered that their blogs are being abused in this way. It’s getting to the stage where a “blogspot.com” suffix might just as well be “pornspot.com”
July 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
obooki – I’m not actually against porn on the net. As long as it’s labelled as such & doesn’t also dump malware, it’s fine by me. But if you search (for example) for “dichroic glass jewellery”, you expect the resulting links to be on that subject & not festooned with ads & links to porn, drugs & other cons. Imagine if all those Harry Potter books sold had content rather different than the flashy cover suggested – scraping is akin to that.
July 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Yeah, I know. But I think most people who use the internet understand that you’re likely to end up on a porn site now and again, however inadvertently, and they’re not necessarily going to link all these things together. (Or maybe people do). Personally, I don’t surf the internet much that way anymore – I tend to scrutinise the names of websites carefully and choose those which seem harmless. (In fact, now I think of it, maybe it’s better to check the google cache version of everything instead of clicking on the website proper – then they couldn’t download anything).
July 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I think BM’s probably away but: have you ever read a writer called Joanna Cannan, fl.1930s. I picked one up today, and it seemed written in an interesting style. Apparently she invented the genre of “pony books”.
July 22, 2008 at 2:49 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Cannan
Cousin of Gilbert Cannan. That’s exactly what I was wondering when I picked up the book in the shop.
I know, the profile’s not exactly encouraging.
July 22, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Sorry to hear about your problem, cs. McAfee, crap though it generally is, has a box on the toolbar called ’site advisor’ which is green (safe, ie they’ve checked it) grey (unknown/unchecked) red (danger!). All google results have a coloured tick next to them to let you know their status. Yours is grey, btw. So far I haven’t had any problems. So far.
July 22, 2008 at 3:04 pm
That “site advisor” sounds like a helpful guide – although only a guide, since today’s “safe site” might be something else tomorrow….
Like obooki, I carefully scrutinise website names before I click – the generic blogs (typepad, WP, blogger, etc) are generally safe in terms of malware – WP certainly doesn’t permit Java or Javascript (I can never remember which of those is the iffy one), or similar active add-ons – don’t know whether Blogger does or not. Content is another matter….
And of course those sites which trap you in loops and/or give you little presents tend to be called harmlessfluffybunny.com rather than nastypornmalware.com….
July 22, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Actually, cs, AVG’s free anti-virus, the new version, 8.0, has the same sort of thing that MM mentions. It actually scans all the google results you get and advises you if any of them are dodgy placing a tick next to the cleared ones. I seem to remember you mentioning that you’re running AVG, cs. Maybe time to update to 8.0?
July 22, 2008 at 3:36 pm
We’re on the paid version of AVG – so perhaps we have it already….no idea how to find it or use it even if it is there….
July 22, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I suggest it’s Javascript: – it’s a suspicious language all round. Java, on the other hand, is a nice language and uses applets on the web which have various restrictions on what you can do with them on other people’s computers (though I daresay these can be overwritten). Java’s not much used on the general web – it’s more for your web-based applications. Javascript is evil and hides everywhere, getting up to mischief.
July 22, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Anyone know out of curiosity whether it’s Java or Javascript which makes the new Cif so slow? I’ve seen some commenters blaming one or the other on various occasions.
BTW, I mentioned a while ago that a shameless plug on GU usually results in around ten or a dozen hits (which another commenter there also claimed) – but my most recent shameless plug on the Keats thread has so far had more than thirty clicks – and judging from the number of people who’ve read the “about me” page recently, mostly new visitors – I’ve noticed before that putting in a link and saying “don’t read this – you won’t like it” is more effective than the obvious….
July 22, 2008 at 5:26 pm
cs, if you have the paid for AVG, it should update itself automatically. However, that function is configurable and may be turned off. The AVG icon should be sitting in your system tray, (lower right hand). Right-click on it and a menu will appear. One of the options will be ‘check for updates’. Click on that option and the updates will download and install automatically.
Now double-click on the same AVG icon and bring up the user interface. It will tell you if all the tools are turned on or not. If not , it’s a simple matter of clicking on the tool that’s not turned on. That should do it.
I just had a look at the source-code for CiF and it’s javascript that’s the culprit.
July 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Mishari – I looked at the AVg control panel after your earlier comment. AVG updated this morning, but I can’t see that particular tool on the long left-hand list of functions (not sure what it’s called, to be honest). I’ll get Michele to take a look later.
Meanwhile, we now know (thanks to Jonathan at PlagiarismToday) how to submit the infamous DMCA via email – but first we have to check through *all* of Michele’s blog posts and see just how many blogs are involved (seven so far, on a limited survey….) Watch this space….
July 22, 2008 at 7:41 pm
It is interesting to observe the Plishing Reports from Norton’s.
July 22, 2008 at 10:18 pm
The Plishing Reports … plish plash plosh. I feel we have the makings of a Michael Rosen poem there. Actually, the whole poem.
July 22, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I thought the Cannan name was familiar: her sister has a poem in Larkin’s Oxford anthology which was referenced in Mlle de Mowbray’s essay on female poets of WW1 a few years ago. Mlle was not a fan of the Pulleine-Thompson school of equine fiction: too Pony Club. KM Peyton took the laurels.
Unusual for BM not to appear on poster poems. I hope things are well with him.
July 22, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I expect Billy’s on holiday somewhere….
Mishari – Michele tells me she’s seen occasional red warnings about sites following google searches, so maybe that AVG thing is resident & working after all….
July 23, 2008 at 12:10 am
Yeah, I’m particularly interested in Gilbert Cannan. He wrote novels for a time, which were praised by people, but went mad and ended his life in an asylum. You can’t get any of his novels now – even his biographer says this, back in the 70s – though his books used to be fairly ubiquitous. I have two translations by him though: Romain Rolland’s Jean Christophe and Valery Larbaud’s A O Barnabooth – both fairly avant-garde.
July 23, 2008 at 12:36 am
cs, the tool is called Link Scanner and is part of AVG 8.0. I checked here:
http://www.grisoft.com/ww.special-avg-free-conversion-sup-freecnv
..and I believe you have to go to the above link and enter your license number to get the free upgrade to version 8.0. I should check it out, if I were you. I’m almost positive that the software upgrade, (as opposed to virus definiton updates), does NOT happen automatically. It’s free, but they want to see your license number first.
July 23, 2008 at 12:42 am
I have it on good authority that Mills is in a Swiss clinic undergoing moustache revitalization therapy. Apparently, this involves reading biographies of Lord Kitchener and having walrus hormones injected into your upper lip.
July 23, 2008 at 12:42 am
Thanks Mishari – I’ll pass that on to Michele – she deals with those things. I expect she’ll want to go for it, given our recent adventures….
July 23, 2008 at 12:43 am
….the previous comment referring btw to AVG, not Billy’s ‘tache….
July 23, 2008 at 12:46 am
By the way, cs, what does DMCA stand for?
…also, if Link Scanner is functioning, a large green check-mark appears next to every result in a Google search, signifying that it’s been scanned and found clean…or, (I think) a red X, if AVG has detected a malicious site.
July 23, 2008 at 12:49 am
Funny how Latin has been devalued as a language. Following a short discussion on GU, it occurred to me that the website Vulpes Libris, which I’d also been looking at, was incorrect Latin (they translate it BookFox, presumably on the analogy Vulpes Macrotis, the common North American Fox – “macrotis” had me stumped for a bit, but it’s actually a Greek word meaning “long-eared”, hence the odd ending). Anyhow, Libris (if meaning book) would be either dative or ablative plural, which doesn’t make any sense – maybe I guess, something like “fox, in respect of books”.
At first mistakenly I looked up “vulpes libres”, which translates (more pleasingly), “you may hurl foxes”.
July 23, 2008 at 12:53 am
DMCA = Digital Millenium Copyright Act
Apparently this came in in 1998 & prevented web hosts being responsible for the content that is published on their sites AS LONG AS they act expeditiously to remove content when certain complaints are made (ie, content theft.) There’s a more precise explanation on the Plagiarism Today website which I linked to somewhere up there ^^^
July 23, 2008 at 12:59 am
God I waste my time on the internet. – Right, I’ll watch the Tour highlights. Didn’t realise you can watch 2.5 hours of live tour action on itv.com – bit late now.
fmk – do you think it’s possible for a rider to be doping and for his team not to know about it? And why did Saulnier Duval sack Ricco and Piepoli, but not Cobo? Presumably they think his test will come back negative.
July 23, 2008 at 1:01 am
BTW did you know “Felonious Monk” was the title of an episode of CSI….?
July 23, 2008 at 1:50 am
I didn’t. I enjoyed the first few series of CSI-the original Vegas-set one, but I lost interest a few years ago. There’s an excellent new Iraq war-based drama now showing on US TV, called Generation Kill. It’s made by Dave Simon, maker of The Wire. I read a rave review in the New Yorker and downloaded episode one from the Pirate Bay. It looks very promising indeed.
obooki, fox hurling could really catch on amongst the county set. Copyright the name, quick. BTW, did you ever come across a book by Tim Moore called French Revolutions. Moore, long fascinated by the Tour and especially by the demise of Tom Simpson, decided to ride the route, (2001, I think), a month before the Tour itself rode the same route.
It’s a very entertaining book, combining, as it does, a history of the Tour and cycle racing in general with a personal record of what a cyclist faces on such a demanding task, even when not actually racing. I can recommend it.
July 23, 2008 at 3:27 am
‘Original content posted online is copyright whether or not one puts a fancy symbol or warning notice alongside. There’s no evidence that I’m aware of suggesting that copyright thieves discriminate between marked & unmarked content.’
No evidence, I agree. But it might act as a subliminal suggestion that
(i) someone who goes to the trouble of downloading a CC license is more likely to act than put up with being a victim;
(ii) the licensee could be acting with others, since in the wider world — beyond this fine site of dgg’s — I detect signs of a net copyright protection movement getting underway, at long last . . . after years of non-tekkies stifling their distress about the nonsensical ‘Information wants to be free’ mantra.
(iii) there’s something someone confronted with it might not know. There are very young people, these days, who learn everything online — and if the CC symbol makes them curious to know what it stands for, it’s doing yeoman service as education.
. . . And if there’s a chance of any of these messages getting across, that would be a good enough reason to advertise an affiliation with the CC organisation and its aims.
July 23, 2008 at 10:14 am
mish: Tim Moore’s book. These days the only cycling-related book I’m recommending to anyone is Edward Gorey’s The Epiplectic Bicycle.
obooki: “do you think it’s possible for a rider to be doping and for his team not to know about it?”
I should say that it depends on the rider, the team and the amount of doping. But that’s being too kind to teams. They notice the change in performance. So no, it’s not possible not to know.
Why SD sacked Riccò and Piepoli and not Cobo … well one Spanish paper says Piepoli fessed up to using the same thing as Riccò. Or there’s that both had unusual non-negatives on the Giro last year and so are under suspicion generally.
Given the date we’re at, I’m beginning to think Piepoli’s test must have come back negative. I thought ASO might have been holding back results so the Italians didn’t have to do the arrest, but they’re back in France since yesterday. It is possible that he’d be negative, as normal EPO passes out on the system in 24-72 hours (depending on how you take it). Or it could be that results are being held back til Thursday, after the Alpe is done and dusted. Prudhomme is certainly hinting heavily that there’s more to come.
BTW, you should see the letter SD wrote to their sponsor. “Please give us your money back, a big boy did it and ran away and we promise never to do it again.” But with the stories resurfacing about Gianetti I don’t see how SD could stay involved with the team.
July 23, 2008 at 10:47 am
Yeah, I read that letter to the sponsor when I was trying to see if they’d sacked Cobo. – I should’ve taken the day off so I could watch Alpe d’Huez. Wonder if I can access the coverage on the net.
July 23, 2008 at 10:49 am
fmk, Gorey’s always good.
I remember meeting an Englishmen who was cycling around the world. This was in Kuwait in about 1970. He had one of those old sit-up-and-beg jobs, a BSA or Rudge.
He was a cheerful, deeply sun-tanned chap and had welded a metal plate into the space between the top-tube, seat-tube and down-tube and had pasted the flags of all the countries he’d passed through onto it. There were well over a hundred of them, (he’d recently completed Africa and was India-bound).
What still stands out in memory, though, are his legs. Like tree-trunks and knotted with muscle. I’ve no idea what happened to him. I do hope he got home safe.
July 23, 2008 at 10:52 am
obooki, try here:
http://video.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/video/?id=tour0620
They’ve got video highlights up to and including yesterday.
July 23, 2008 at 10:57 am
Sorry, ob, my mistake. That footage is from the 2006 Tour. Try here:
http://64.38.0.10/2008/tour-de-france/#live
Lots of links to internet broadcasts, both live and re-broadcasts.
July 23, 2008 at 11:05 am
obooki: “I should’ve taken the day off so I could watch Alpe d’Huez.”
Today is one of the few days I regret not having a TV of my own. So I’m buggering off at lunch-time to leach off a friend’s TV. Thing is, the only live coverage I’ve got is in Irish and my oral/aural Irish is a bit rusty. Still, if I could survived Duffield on Eurosport all those years ago I can make it through Irish commentary. It’ll no doubt make ore sense. And at least I won’t have to suffer Phil ‘n’ Paul’s cheerleading.
CSC have to attack and attack and attack again and take minutes out of that Aussie wimp.
mish: I’ve a serious soft spot for Gorey. Beautiful little books.
July 23, 2008 at 11:21 am
Alexander Theroux wrote a short book called The Strange Case of Edward Gorey, is this the same man?
didn’t eurosport used to broadcast commentary in four languages at once – which seemed like just some sort of babel at first, but after a while you could pick out your own language quite clearly?
July 23, 2008 at 11:29 am
hmm, i’ve managed to get German Eurosport. It’ll do, I guess. I understand the odd phrase, “Schumacher”, “dritten Kategorie”.
July 23, 2008 at 11:30 am
I have that Theroux book. Yes, it is the same Gorey. They were friends.
Don’t remember Eurosport’s babel commentary – would have been an improvement over Duffers though.
July 23, 2008 at 11:30 am
“positif getestet”
July 23, 2008 at 11:33 am
I might be able to help you there, Mishari. There was an old chap featured on local TV a while back who had spent years cycling round the world on just the kind of bike you describe. What made it a story was that he arrived in Portsmouth, set up his tent, went to sleep and someone nicked the bike. First time in all those years on the road. It’s like Baltimore over there.
Let’s hope Silk City doesn’t go the same way. Some of the new inhabitants of Dubai would be very much at home in Pompey, judging by what I’ve read.
July 23, 2008 at 11:35 am
“i’ve managed to get German Eurosport”
I think it was 2003, the race was down to Ulrich and Armstrong and only the ITT had to be completed and I was working on the Saturday and had the race streaming on a spare puter in the office. And the brother phones me from Cairo to say all he can get is German coverage via satellite and so can I talk him through the commentary while he watches the pictures as Armstrong and Ulrich set off for their rides. I’d hate to have seen his phone bill when it came in.
July 23, 2008 at 11:39 am
obooki: if you’ve got pix then open another window/tab to http://www.letour.com/2008/TDF/LIVE/us/1700/index.html
July 23, 2008 at 12:02 pm
From your 25, it appears you don’t believe in parapsychology. I do, in regard to telepathy and ESP. It can only happen when not interfered with and although possible with more, is best between two people, entry of thought patterns by others create confusion and distortion, making things hard to read.
That´s very cool and literary inspirational. Particularly when merged with IT and literary uses of IT.
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July 23, 2008 at 12:05 pm
DMCA = Digital Millenium Copyright Act
Apparently this came in in 1998 & prevented web hosts being responsible for the content that is published on their sites AS LONG AS they act expeditiously to remove content when certain complaints are made (ie, content theft.) There’s a more precise explanation on the Plagiarism Today website which I linked to somewhere up there ^^^
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This is an interesting subject, for eternal discussion.
BTW, doggerel, you sometimes use the word “steal” as in a derogatory sense, but don´t you do it yourself in the recycling of Keats, your brilliant parodies, etc.? Then how can you accuse others of doing the same?
July 23, 2008 at 12:07 pm
MM, I’m sure I read that story, poor sod. Perhaps it’s time for the caulkheads to declare independence and erect some sort of barrier across the Solent.
Speaking of caulk, I came across a Byzantine emperor the other day who’d previously escaped my notice. I think it was in Anna Comnena’s Alexiad- Michael the Caulker. Perhaps he was an Islander. From Shanklin to Constantinople.
July 23, 2008 at 12:28 pm
ropeofsand –
1) Parody isn’t plagiarism….it has a long and dishonourable tradition; besides, it’s not entirely implausible that my travesty above will have prompted one or more persons to read or reread the original….
2) If I’d used Keats’ original or a parody thereof to misdirect you to an iffy site or advertise something unsavoury, then there might have been a parallel….
3) Keats is well out of copyright – I could, quite legally, post the entire original of “La Belle Dame Sans Merci” here….and others could, equally legally, use it to promote whatever they wish….
July 23, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Spotted on the “Pound a Potter” GU thread: another entry in the contest to find the World’s Most Precocious Reader (sponsored by fmk….)
Nicolo: “…I’m not a child, but I have been reading since I was one…”
Also liked this example of Aiming Low to Avoid Disappointment:
Yummance: “OK, they [the Potter books] are not Louis de Berniere but…”
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/07/is_this_the_end_for_harry_pott.html
July 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Nicolo’s comment could be read as meaning since he was a child, to be fair.
July 23, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hmmm….I see what you mean….it’s an interestingly doubled-meaning phrasing….oh well; I’ll give Nicolo the benefit of the doubt….I apologise if he/she meant it MM’s way….
July 23, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Fuck the apology. Nicolo should have been clearer in the first place.
July 23, 2008 at 5:25 pm
My children were reciting Horace in the womb, (in Latin, natch), and recited quadratic equations on delivery, astonishing the hospital staff, who demanded they be burned as witches. After my 12 year-old son curled his lip and said, (referring to my taste for crime fiction: ” Pater, your reading matter is pedestrian in the extreme. Kindly raise your sights lest you embarrass me”, I’ve started to think those nurses had a point.
July 23, 2008 at 6:15 pm
ropeofsand –
1) Parody isn’t plagiarism….it has a long and dishonourable tradition; besides, it’s not entirely implausible that my travesty above will have prompted one or more persons to read or reread the original….
doggerel
i am well aware of that, that´s why my surprise at your highly moralising comments on the matter, when used by others…
July 23, 2008 at 8:05 pm
ropeofsand – you’re going to have to explain a little more – I’m comfortable with my position of being vehemently against theft of original material (especially when used as Michele’s stolen posts have been used) and on the other hand parodying well-known texts – if there’s an argument of hypocrisy against my position, I can’t yet see it, but I’m happy to debate the issue.
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Devotees of Eric Newby’s travel writing might be interested in a programme tomorrow night (Thursday) tucked away on BBC4 at 9pm….
July 23, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Good-o. I’ve always been fond of Newby and the unflappable/melodramatic Wanda. Love and War in the Apennines is a lovely book. Slowly Down the Ganges is terrific. A Short Walk in the Hindu Kush is hilarious, especiall the bit near the end when they bump into the austere Wilfred Thesiger.
I think I’ve read all of his book over the years. Oh, yeah, and his autobiography/portrait of his father, called, I think, Something Wholesale. I’ll be watching the program.
July 23, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Your son demonstrates striking insight, Mishari. I’ve often thought the same thing about you myself.
July 23, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Well, I’ve apprenticed the litle bastard to a Cretan shepherd. He’ll spend the rest of the summer in the White Mountains, living on extremely nasty goat-cheese and barely potable water. See if that doesn’t take the curl out of his lip.
His younger brother, an altogether more seemly youth, will reap the benefits of his discretion and be treated to a summer-long stay in a Marseilles brothel. Truly, my munificience knows no bounds.
As for you, you’ve been added to my ‘to do’ list, right after Mills and Freep, (well-known publishers of romantic fiction).
July 23, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Re: Michele’s scrapers . . . Once, we all accepted the chore of endless spam flushing as inevitable — like Frances/Iant sweeping dead leaves round the clock. Then anti-spam laws were passed and no one did anything. But now . . . aha! . . .
Top Spammer Sentenced to Nearly Four Years
Nancy Gohring, IDG News Service Tue Jul 22, 7:30 PM ET
The “spam king” was sentenced on Tuesday to 47 months in prison, with a ruling that the court hopes sends a message to other online criminals.
[. . .]
{US government prosecutor] Warma said. “A disturbing theme we repeatedly saw from the complainant is, why isn’t the law being enforced on the Net? Why isn’t CAN-SPAM being enforced?” she said. “This individual has refused to stop his criminal conduct, notwithstanding two separate civil judgments and an injunction by a U.S. federal court judge. I suggest to you the only effective way to stop Soloway is a long prison sentence during which he’ll be incapable of continuing this criminal activity.” Soloway has previously lost cases brought against him by Microsoft and by an ISP in Oklahoma, yet continued to spam..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080722/tc_pcworld/148780
July 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Well that’s good news….notwithstanding that the article concludes by reporting the escape of another spammer from prison….
July 24, 2008 at 12:00 am
Wordnerd,
Will I ever get away from here?
Now I’m guilty of spam? Never did sweep leaves, that was all in your mind, please re-examine posts.
ps. Did you ever find the moose?
July 24, 2008 at 12:17 am
Before I go,
as per W.C. Fields
“If the left side of your brain controls the right side of your body, and the right side of your brain controls the left side of your body, then lefthanded people must be the only ones in their right minds.”
Well, I’m fine, not sure about the rest of you.
July 24, 2008 at 4:15 am
oi fuckmarrykill, wait till the time trial’s over before you call that aussie a wimp.
I know,I know … I’m being reeled in with the bait.
check this out:
“Evans has become something of a minor hit for cycling fans on YouTube since the start of this year’s race.
First, it was for taking a whack at an intrusive reporter who got a little bit too close to an injured left shoulder. That was understandable, given the pain from a crash days before then that could have spelled the end for Evans.
In the days that followed Evans’s setback, he barked at almost everyone who got anywhere near him, including one famous TV presenter: “Don’t touch my left shoulder!”
After the 16th stage, it was an unfortunate cameraman who bore the brunt of Evans’ efforts to reach his team van.
Running backwards and trying to film the Australian, a frustrated Evans took a leaf out of Frenchman Zinedine Zidane’s football book of follies and tried to headbutt the intrusive camera out of the way.
With the help of his Belgian bodyguard Evans got to his team van unscathed, and admitted: “I’m dehydrated, and I’m cramping.”
Belgian bodyguard? WTF…
here’s a good – albeit partisan – site:
[http://tdf.sbs.com.au/tdf2008/
July 24, 2008 at 6:14 am
Sorry, Frances. Was misled by at least two bloggers who routinely address Iant by your name. And since neither of you ever asks for a correction . . . I once asked Iant how she contracted her leaf fetish and got no reply. It’s now clearly signposted as a private matter, or certainly is for me: I’ll never ask again. . . What moose? Did you mean to type in a ‘u’ where you have a second ‘o’? If I’m right, the answer is that it left after the heat wave ended and has been making itself scarce since. My last encounter with anything that travels on four legs took place in the dark about ten days ago — something grunting like a wart hog as it rooted around in a pile of old dried leaves. My personal wild beast consultant said that there is a colony of feral pigs about a mile from here, as the crow flies, but that its members do not usually leave the particular mountain that is its home. Too bad, because with lungs so well adapted to climbing steep gradients, fast, they might do rather well in the Tour de France (to get back on-topic).
July 24, 2008 at 10:13 am
Surely ‘as the pig flies’.
July 24, 2008 at 10:37 am
Let’s see, I’ll try. I am: Iamhere; I am not, Iamnothere.
Iamnothere swept the heavens at times, picked up glitter, not leaves. Iamhere has never swept leaves here.
Now you’re pickin’ on me pigs!
ps I have a true story on feral pigs, it also had foxes as well; doubt if you wish to hear.
btw Wordnerd “to get back on topic”????? Well!
Re lung expansion for cycling; I suggest training be given at Nazareth, i.e. place in Middle East.
July 24, 2008 at 11:14 am
Frances I am supposed to be busy offline, and didn’t mean to post . . . or even touch any of the computer’s letter keys . . . was only going to have a quick little peep when I saw this:
‘ps I have a true story on feral pigs, it also had foxes as well; doubt if you wish to hear.’
Why so pessimistic? A true story about feral pigs would be just the thing for me, today, if you promise not to make up any detail in it, . . . and the foxes will certainly give it a certain je ne sais quoi. . . Did you know that dgg and Michele often see foxes in their nature preserve?
Naturally I said ‘je ne sais quoi’ two sentences ago in honour of the nationality of the topic (dear Frances, you can read posts, can’t you?) and for Mowbray, who obviously only went all froggie frou-frou to be irritating and pretend that he’s multilingual. As if he’s fooling anyone.
‘Iamnothere swept the heavens at times, picked up glitter, not leaves. Iamhere has never swept leaves here.’
Cannot discuss this further because it seems to be your own private business, as I said before. If I’m mistaken in this supposing, do let me know. There might be some old posts you’d want to see . . . but I wouldn’t dream of embarrassing you, uninvited.
Well okay, M2, I’ll give you flying pigs . . . something about winged pigs suits this new image you’ve been trying to foist on us.
July 24, 2008 at 11:48 am
about seven hours ago i posted on the GU ‘page 69′ book thread – about pg 69 of Zizek’s The Parallax View as it happens – and quoted, directly from the page: “Fuck me!” I posted and had a bounce back saying that my comment is held for moderation, so they must have a compost crawler that picks up on a selection of possible ‘that just won’t do’ words.
July 24, 2008 at 12:02 pm
parallax – I’m willing to say it loud and say it proud: Evans is a wuss and a wimp and he makes LeMond and Roche seem like they had personality.
But the boy done good yesterday.
July 24, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I should add that the problematic quote was embedded in a lengthier quote and that the whole engagement of the comment was in context with the article. I think the ‘crawler’ probably works when the mods have gone home because I posted about 4am GU time.
Who knows? if it still hasn’t appeared when I return to my other desk tomorrow I’ll try again with the cop out asterisk. But then again, are they worth it?
July 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm
fuckmurderkull: just wait … see your lad’s gone home to ‘rest’ and take on intravenous vitamins ready for Beijing ..
July 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm
i reckon it’s a surfeit of testosterone that makes Evan’s eyebrows sprout
July 24, 2008 at 12:34 pm
parallax: un favor por favor. drop the fuckmurderkill thing. it bores me.
on the mod thing. that happens time to time. your comment is lost. the last time i asked about it they didn’t even seem to be aware of the feature and didn’t know where the comment was stored on the system for retrieval.
as for ‘my’ lad – i don’t have a lad in the tour this year. maybe next. there’s a good un on the scottish junkie’s team.
July 24, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Nah, decided the feral pigs and fox story is way too old, couple of decades to be precise. Just had a thought though could make a good Aesop fable of it.
My mouse, I can find, it’s right beside my computer; a moose I can’t, i.e. the one doggerelist hid.
Oh, and when I say Iamhere, here, I mean on these here pages of doggerel.
Now Wordy, take two with water and lie down.
July 24, 2008 at 1:00 pm
gruan’s back to top of the heap on unique users: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/24/abcs.digitalmedia
July 24, 2008 at 1:00 pm
fmk, fair enough, I’m equally bored.
interesting on the GU garbage pacting, i didn’t know that – so the bounce back must be a furphy and they’re not holding it for moderation at all but just binning anything that gets trapped. hmmm, well i won’t resurrect the comment then.
July 24, 2008 at 1:08 pm
When you talk about plagiarising other people’s content, is this the kind of thing you mean – from our govt-sponsored help-writers-publish website:
http://www.youwriteon.com/forum/And-the-greatest-Booker-novel-is–Topic-6512-1.aspx
Maybe I could run a website by simply stealing ideas from the Guardian every day?
July 24, 2008 at 1:14 pm
btw parallax, re cav. there is an argument for claiming him as one of ours. without wanting to do a swords and down too much amerginandtonic ((c) mishari) but legend has it that the manx island was formed when fionn mac cumhaill grabbed a lump of rock from out of the ground to hurl at one of his enemies in scotland and missed by more than a few miles. the hole where the rock was scooped from is now lough neagh and the lump of rock he chucked became the isle of man. once we’ve finally got back the north and reclaimed rockall we may get around to annexing the island.
if the lé eithne is ever seen sailing in the waters near the island it’ll be the falklands all over again, mark my words.
July 24, 2008 at 1:35 pm
ha!ha! some scote’s gone and nicked dave’s bike!
let’s see him hug a hoodie now. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/24/davidcameron.ukcrime i haven’t read the article so don’t know if he was in pompey at the time.
July 24, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Dave’s bike has probably been nicked by some Tory-boy entrepreneur who even now is selling sniffs of the saddle to the faithful for a fiver a time….
July 24, 2008 at 3:25 pm
see Anthony McGowan’s getting a bit of a hammering on his thread. From his profile seems like it’s his first piece for the books blog – maybe he should have taken time to research his audience before he waded below the line…
July 24, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Perhaps he’s researched too much, and thinks that insults are de rigeur….I’m all for blogger participation in the netherworld, but someone ought to tell him he doesn’t have to respond to *every* comment….
July 24, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Speaking of plagiarism, Anthony McGowan etc. – do all children’s writers these days base their works on other people’s ideas? (Or only those that write for the Guardian?) Michael “Little Bunny Foo Foo” Rosen being another fine example.
July 24, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I don’t read many children’s books – but even in the field of grown-up lit, I doubt it’s possible now to write a truly original (whilst still readable) book.
July 24, 2008 at 5:20 pm
btw obooki: how was watching the alpe in german? lots of ‘gehen kohl!’ and ‘gehen schumy!’ i expect.
July 24, 2008 at 6:20 pm
dg: yes, I just feel in the case of these 2, it’s not really a borrowing, more of a wholesale lifting.
fmk: yes, it was a bit like that, they seemed quite excited about having a couple of guys up there. other country’s patriotism is always amusing (whereas our own can only be dispicable). but i got tired of not really understanding what was going on, so i kept the pictures but put on radio 5’s commentary instead. strangely, radio 5 felt Evans had done what was necessary; where ITV later seemed to think he hadn’t.
July 24, 2008 at 6:42 pm
i’m with radio 5. don’t get me started on phil ‘n’ paul.
the irish commentary was inept. thank god there was enough visual information flashing up on the screen.
July 24, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Mr McGowan seems to be an impolite self indulgent prat. Let’s see if he stops swimming or sinks deeper.
July 24, 2008 at 7:51 pm
It looks like word has got round the “children’s writers’ community” that free plugs are there for the taking on GU….McGowan’s being what one might call a “butt-plug”….
July 24, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Seems a logical explanation, steve. A fellow has to make a living, I dare say, which includes plugging your stuff in schools. But I bet teachers find some visiting creatives a bloody pain.
July 24, 2008 at 10:46 pm
It’s a bizarrely unpleasant thread (the McGowan; and I’ve just reread the whole thing) with gratuitous spite shown towards unpub….I particularly disliked the bit where he pumped up the literary significance of his books….he doesn’t seem to realise that a book doesn’t automatically absorb by osmosis the quality of its influences….wanker….
July 24, 2008 at 11:04 pm
you’ll have to excuse me saying this, but there’s something about unpub that makes them easy to dislike. always with that “kids are treated like consumers” “where’s your love of literature” “capitalism is killing our souls” schtick.
my reading of it, asking a guy who’s quoted rabelais and talked about doing readings in schools (what do you get paid for that? £2.50?) doesn’t need to be asked “where’s your love of lit” or treated to another ageing-hippie diatribe about the mining of minors by capitalism.
and unpub’s got a seriously thin skin when you offer any form of criticism/rebuke. i’d say unpub cast the first stone and got a stone thrown back that was better aimed.
July 24, 2008 at 11:14 pm
fmk – well, anyone can quote X without being, or approaching, X….I slip a fair few mangled nods into the doggerel here, but I am not X….
And what did unpub say, other than to ask: what is this article saying beyond re-emphasising that some old classics have rude bits?
July 24, 2008 at 11:37 pm
“and unpub’s got a seriously thin skin when you offer any form of criticism/rebuke. ”
Is that so? What about people who can’t laugh at themselves or take responsibility for their own screen name and must beg, B–E–G, – licking the ground and pawing at it submissively – not to be teased? I mean gratuitous, chronic nasties with skin so thin that it would make a foetus’s look like rhinoceros hide. Let there be no mistake, I’m referring to -
fmk: “parallax: un favor por favor. drop the fuckmurderkill thing. it bores me.”
Unpub/Unpublishedwriter is one of the mainstays of the GU blog. He does not live in an ivory tower, but he doesn’t support the excesses of capitalism either. Deal with it, fuckmurderandkill. We like him.
And you might want to look into a mirror really hard before you post your vicious personal remarks.
July 24, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I thought Mcgowan’s reply to unpub was wildly over the top, which is why I waded in. It did seem suspiciously prepared, as though Tone was expecting some criticism and had a reply he’d made earlier. Perhaps that was why it seemed out of proportion to unpub’s actual comment. A good laugh anyway.
Enigmatic message from BM.
July 25, 2008 at 12:49 am
“What about people who can’t laugh at themselves or take responsibility for their own screen name”
and must hide behind a sock-muppet?
new name, same old shite. Plus ca change.
July 25, 2008 at 1:34 am
dave’s bike found. get yer bids in now – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/24/david_cameron_bicycle_appears_ebay/
July 25, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Clerihews. What’s the point?
July 25, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Clerihews
Have little if any practical use
But when all’s said and done
They’re fun….
July 25, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Oh, what is the point of a Mowbray?
Can one eat it? Or sell it? Or what?
Who can say? Anyway, at the end of the day,
One might need a delinquent an old sot.
July 25, 2008 at 6:23 pm
…extraneous ‘an’ there.Sorry.
July 25, 2008 at 7:02 pm
They’ve always struck me as being a bit pointless (and repetitive to the point of insanity) if you follow the ‘gently humourous’ and unsatirical guidelines. I suppose you have to twist them to suit your own distortions. I couldn’t resist one on McGowan. A tough rhyme, though.
July 25, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I’ll not pretend they’re my favourite form of light verse – but I’ll play….for me, the really good ones have that mixture of very long & very short lines – displaying a knowingness that they’re highly contrived – originality is hard to introduce though….
July 25, 2008 at 7:24 pm
So what’s the point of Mishari?
He reminds me a little of Smike,
I suppose his arse-crack might be handy,
If you needed to park your bike.
July 25, 2008 at 7:28 pm
And to be honest: seeing the clerihew blog before there were any contributions, my first thought was to do a series based on “MeltonMowbray”, “Mishari al-Adwani”, “freepoland” and so on….stumped (so far….) by the lack of a good rhyme for the first & fear of getting the pronounciation of the second wrong….pointers welcome….
July 25, 2008 at 7:46 pm
….although I now see I’ve been beaten to it….
July 25, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Mishari ryhmes with Campari. Adwani ryhmes with Sudani, ie, long A.
When weather’s inclement
The elephants jog
In Mowbray’s fundament
As he sits on the bog.
July 25, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Mishari rhymes with Campari
Which is his favourite tipple
It matches his personal jewellery
And the rouge he puts on his nipples.
July 25, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I may rouge my nipples
But Mowbray is famous
For chroming his balls
And gold-plating his anus.
July 25, 2008 at 11:14 pm
When you’re excreting pearls
You need a fine exit
Though there can be a problem
If you need to flex it.
July 26, 2008 at 12:32 am
Pearls? Bah, Baubles for fools.
There’s naught to compare
With my family jewels.
July 26, 2008 at 1:10 am
Cap’n Ned on GU seems familiar; prolific, but lacks a spark, somehow….anyone wanna cop to him….?
July 26, 2008 at 1:37 am
….course, no-one’s gonna cop after that description….I thought at first it was another of Mishari’s….but it doesn’t quite gel….
July 26, 2008 at 7:36 am
Not me, guv. You’re right, though. On the one hand, Cap’nNed claims to be new to this, on the other hand, s/he seems awfully familiar with the dramatis personae of the poetry threads…and, as you say, there’s something familiar about the style. Anyway, I only use one name at a time and that name? no, no,no…I dunno, perhaps the Cap’n is just a quick study…or perhaps it’s parallax, who seems to have disappeared at the same time that CN appeared? time will tell.
I see Des has taken to popping up again under various guises, still, evidently, a stranger to the minimalist aesthetic…
July 26, 2008 at 8:02 am
no not me, wordy perhaps?
July 26, 2008 at 8:10 am
Ned agrees with cs’s take on Emily:
Cynical Steve
Would have you believe
That Dickinson’s twee;
I’m inclined to agree.
can we deduce anything from this cynicalWatson?
July 26, 2008 at 9:42 am
Could be that shooting star Iffish. I must say the clerihew is mildly addictive, though still bloody stupid imo. I rate freep’s (natch) and Mishari’s contributions highly. How fruitful the latter is! A truly fruity character.
July 26, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Melton’s tooth’s root
is as long as his flute
and rotten, to boot, so we hear.
Cure for the droop? well, could douse the old loop in root beer
July 26, 2008 at 1:09 pm
I agree that they are a bit silly and a bit too easy to boot but, as you say,MM, mildy addictive. cs’s opinions of ED appeared ages ago…hmmm..so either Cap’nNed has gone back through all the old POTW threads or is actually, (and more likely) an old lag.
Better a fruit than a vegetable, schweinhund.
July 26, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Oh well….just mildly curious about Cap’n Ned & another couple of newish posters who seem to know the history of GU….I shan’t lose any sleep worrying about IDs….
July 26, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Of course, they could be former lurkers who’ve decided to break cover…
July 26, 2008 at 2:34 pm
“Of course, they could be former lurkers who’ve decided to break cover…”
That conjours up an image of beaters and gundogs flushing the lurkers towards the waiting line….
July 26, 2008 at 4:26 pm
BTW Mishari – did you catch the Newby programme on Thursday? I thought it pretty good, especially BA’s attempt to follow EN’s trip to Nuristan.
July 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Dammit, it completely slipped my mind. However, BBC4 usually shows things on rotation during a month, so it’ll doubtless be round again soon. Or maybe I’ll check the BBC website. You can see programs for a week after their shown. Thanks for reminding me. Who’s BA, (I’m assuming the shows narrator?).
July 26, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Ok, I just downloaded the program. I love BBC’s I-player. I see BA is Benedict Allen, who I’ve always rather liked. A traveller of the old school, his journeys across Namibia, Mongolia and up the Amazon were a treat. I see next week is Laurie Lee and As I Walked Out One Midsummers Morning, an old favourite and one of the books I read as a boy that made me long to see Spain for myself. Good.
July 26, 2008 at 10:48 pm
parallax: your boy didn’t do so good today. but he helped restore a lot of faith in a race that needed an effort like his. if you reinstate the cheats he’s done 4th, 3rd, 2nd over the last three tours. next year he might do 1st.
there’s a t’riffic piece from kimmage in the sunset times, it really sums up this year’s race, for me. and it’s got to be the first time i’ve ever seen someone quoting tolkien and thought, ‘wow, that’s actually fitting and and doesn’t make you look like a spotty twerp.’ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article4407072.ece
July 26, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Laurie Lee was anathematised in my father’s family on the (alleged) grounds that he disrespected a relative in ‘Cider With Rosie’. I suppose it’s possible-Stroud isn’t that far away, but you’d think he would have changed the names.
Thanks for your thoughts, parallaxview,
And your hints on finding a cure
It seems that the only thing that’ll do
Is industrial strength wood hardener.
July 26, 2008 at 11:17 pm
S Dent must be wondering where she went wrong.
July 26, 2008 at 11:24 pm
I keep wondering why they keep bringing her back.
July 26, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Maybe it’s this Institute of Ideas thing. I see they’re based in Farringdon Road. Any connection with GU?
July 26, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Though I gather from BM’s remark of a while back that all you have to do is submit an article and if they think it’s OK you’re in. Which might explain the feebleness of some of the articles.
July 26, 2008 at 11:50 pm
I wouldn’t be at all surprised….they (the IoI) seem to be a spawn of the RCP….
July 27, 2008 at 12:15 am
Interesting. I wondered (very infrequently) what had happened to them. It’s amazing how much influence the twats wield.
July 27, 2008 at 12:35 am
I’m not sure I’d describe a few poetry blogs and BO’N’s Cif Aunt Sally blogs as “wielding influence”….
July 27, 2008 at 4:02 am
fmk, thanks for the link, a good article from kimmage – embedded cycling journalism
– a bit uncomfortable though with some of the evangelical tone.
Yeah, not too bad a day for Evans – just not enough, the post-race autopsy has already started in the press over here, but in the end can’t take away from Sastre’s glory, he rode a great trial. All over now for the yellow, just the Paris procession ahead – but still hoping to see Robbie McEwan make (probably his last) dash for the finish.
July 27, 2008 at 5:00 am
kimmage’s evangelism … not something i will criticise, as i think he was right, all these years, and a lot of people dismissed him, said he was embittered, a failed domestique with a grudge against the sport that gave him a name. the sport’s needed more like him and fewer of the cheer-leading journalists we had. or maybe it’s just an irish thing and i’m sticking up for one of my own.
whatever. i hope the oz press aren’t unkind to evans. he did as best he could and given the team he was on, he did better than he ought have. would like to see mcewan top off ten tours with the champs-elysées win so maybe i’ll root for a ‘roo later today.
July 27, 2008 at 10:20 am
I was thinking principally of Claire Fox, cs. It’s hard to deny that the ideas she and her ilk proselytise are attractive to the sort of high-IQ morons who run the media. Especially the younger ones. Give a thought to the recruits the WRP made in the 70s-how many people did they influence? I don’t mean in a strictly political sense, more in the way that their attitudes to the status quo, and their disproportionate representation in the press, academy, TV etc, changed perceptions of existing authority.
July 27, 2008 at 10:24 am
Shirley Dent seems to have a full house now. It’s fruitcake corner.
July 27, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Ah nuts. Dave really does get his bike back: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7527403.stm
Get this for a spoofer: “It’s priceless to me. I’ve done over a thousand miles on it and three sponsored bike rides of 250 miles each, so it’s like an old friend. It’s fantastic.”
So when you take out the three sponsored rides, he’s ridden over 250 miles on it. And it’s like an old friend?!? That’s not even a month’s cycling.
July 27, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Chevalier, yep it’s really bedlam on the dent thread, all that noise.
See BM’s clerihews has ended in a biffo.
July 27, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Quite charmless, that “NaturalBornBlogger” – shame Parisa didn’t just ignore him/her….
July 27, 2008 at 2:59 pm
A months cycling, fmk? I do that in a week.
I just watched the Newby program, cs. I liked it. Nice to see that Wanda’s still going strong and that my impression of Newby as a thoroughly likable chap was confirmed by all who knew him. I especially liked BA’s discovery of Newby’s old guide from A Short Walk. Good stuff.
July 27, 2008 at 3:10 pm
mishari – I wasn’t sure that BA was convinced that that really was Newby’s original guide – I was pretty sceptical myself. Wanda seemed a tough lady; they must have made quite a couple….and best moment for me was when one of his fellow trainees from Sandhurst (?) said that if the war had been reduced to a one-on-one fight, they would have chosen Newby to fight for England….
July 27, 2008 at 3:12 pm
mishari,
you are too generous re NBB, i’ve found that the scansion in Korean microwave instruction manuals have a certain scat charm.
July 27, 2008 at 3:17 pm
ooops – you can wipe that cs if you have to … i’m unsure of the protocol here about bud’s name disclosure
July 27, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Don’t worry parallax – I think the man himself has been pretty open about it….(although I’ll edit if requested)
July 27, 2008 at 3:47 pm
cheers cs,
wonder if NBB sniggers when s/he posts
July 27, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Wouldn’t be at all surprised, parallax….NBB reminds me a little of that dimwit who bombarded me with terrible “limericks” on a GU thread some time ago….and, amusingly, NBB has been accused of being mishari:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/07/how_do_you_beat_readers_block.html
July 27, 2008 at 4:30 pm
ah yes, so I see – a forgotten traveller returns still looking over a shoulder
I hadn’t been following that blog as I thought it would be a regurgitation of a recent ‘what books haven’t you finished’ list thread – but i see a few air kisses between lost friends, and a frenchletter have surfaced
July 27, 2008 at 4:37 pm
…and on the bedlam thread:
‘hey sweetie, how were the tropics?’
‘just groovy, oh except for a slight hiccup with a decapitation, but apart from that super.’
’sorry, you’ll have to speak up, fuckin’ duff duff music…’
July 27, 2008 at 4:44 pm
An excellent summary of the posts on that thread, para. I was thinking of dropping in and saying ‘you don’t have to be mad to comment here, but it helps’, but it’s not worth the grief.
July 27, 2008 at 5:18 pm
What!?! Some accused that charmless oaf of being me? I’m truly offended. I wasn’t actually going tto remark on his/her nastiness to Parisa, but I’d just had enough. She’s too sweet and inoffensive for close-in knife-work, so I thought I’d provoke the twerp into having a go at me…see how much joy that brings him/her.
Re BA not being convinced. I was unsure, but when the fellow, Bader Khan said ‘oh, one of them’s dead’, I was fairly convinced. And his age seemed right. Still, who knows? Mind you, Thesiger went back to Yemen/Saudi 50 years later and re-discovered his travelling companions, hale and hearty…
No worries, para..I’ve made no bones about which username I am this month.
July 27, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Oh, I see…accused by susanabrams. I might have known. The soppy twit.
July 27, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Poor shirley dent. I couldn’t resist commenting, if only to offer condolences at her being inundated by the posting equivalant of the Vulcan Death Grip.
July 27, 2008 at 8:23 pm
“A months cycling, fmk? I do that in a week.”
A week? A WEEEK?!? Pshaw!!! I do that in a morning before breakfast, and then before lunch I run a marathon and in the afternoon I climb the nearest mountain. Before retiring for the evening I swim the length of the Liffey!
Fucking wimps.
July 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Well, the east coast is steeped in dark mist, and I look at GU blogs and find it is possible to have similar online weather; and that there are limits to how amusing clerihews can be, bearing in mind the tendency of unskilful persons to churn them out thoughtlessly. And I too feel sorry for Shirl.
But I spent time seeing the Newby doc which I liked a lot (slight tendency of camera to linger on Benedict thingy’s face overmuch) and being bashed by the Dark Night, latest Batman, which I didn’t care for, but needed to see so I could discuss with my son who is a DC comics fanatic. But there were some good big noises and excellent black flappings of Batman’s cloak. A bit like when you visit a zoo with poor animal specimens but an ostrich frightens you in a way you haven’t been frightened before. Maybe Shirley will reflect that her blog lacks a zoo keeper.
July 27, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Is it true that in Australia there’s a superhero named WomBatman….?
July 27, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Sorry, fmk. but your sissy regimen is going to leave you dangerously unfit. Do as I do. Before breakfast, I swim the Atlantic, landing in Newfoundland. I kayak home before lunch. Afer lunch, I push a ping-pong ball up Annapurna with my nose. Then I swim Lake Baikal, lengthwise, to work up an appetite for my dinner. Before turning in, I cycle from London to Murmansk and back. That’s what I call keeping fit.
freep, I too saw The Dark Knight. My sons insisted. I quite enjoyed it, though it was a bit overlong. I found Batmans moral ambivalence interesting and the film visually arresting.
Heath Ledger’s performance was a fine piece of scenery-chewing. I must admit, I find Christopher Nolan’s two efforts the best of the bunch. I guess one has to set aside the sheer absurdity of whole Batman premise, admittedly not easy to do.
July 28, 2008 at 12:09 am
Ah, the things we do for our children. Just returned from picking up my daughter and chums from Girls Aloud concert at Osborne House. 15 mins to get there, an hour and 15 to inch back. Plenty of time to reflect that Queen Victoria probably did the journey quicker.
July 28, 2008 at 12:36 am
Tell the truth, MM. It was you at that Girls Aloud concert, while your daughter was at home listening to Mule Variations by Tom Waits. You sad old perv.
July 28, 2008 at 7:51 am
Holiday it was. Thanks to all for all the poems at the other place.
July 28, 2008 at 9:52 am
Welcome back, Bill. So, how was Capri? And the dear Marquessa? Did you bring me back some of those marvelous marzipan-stuffed snails I so adore? Is Helmut still struggling? Ah, well…
July 28, 2008 at 10:09 am
Helmut has expanded enormously, a circumstance which may or may not be linked with a mysterious dearth of marzipan-stuffed snails on the island. The Marquessa sends her love and requests immediate return of the silverware. His Grace was away on government duty. He’s to be away for 15 years or so. The English lady novelist’s twins are doing very well; she seemed particularly concerned to know when you’d be back. Ah, Capri!
July 28, 2008 at 11:40 am
You got me there, Mishari. My main requirement in a woman is that I should be able to encircle her waist with my finger and thumb.
That Villa Jovis. Bloody long way with a six year old on your back.
July 28, 2008 at 12:32 pm
My daughters, (7 and 9), attended a Girls Aloud concert not long ago, not, I hasten to add with a shudder, in my company but with their mother. The benighted woman actually enjoyed it. I knew I married beneath me. But they told me of a bearded, middle-aged man, who gyrated wildy, squealing in ecstasy and ended this distasteful exhibition by hurling his sweat-soakefd y-fronts on stage.
I think we both know who that man was, mowbray…
July 28, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Couldn’t have been me. I was stalking Britney till last week.
On the way to the show last night, my kid was behind two girls and their obviously unenthusiastic boyfriends (Girls Aloud concert attendance is 90% female. So I’m told). One of the boyfriends said to the other, ‘Here’s your ticket, mate. I’m giving it to you early so you can lose it before we get to the fuckin’ entrance.’ Their companions were not pleased.
July 28, 2008 at 3:18 pm
A heart-warming tale of youthful wisdom. All is not lost.
July 28, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I am curiously reluctant to post this clerihew elsewhere….but it’ll do for here:
The writer of “La Belle Dame sans Merci”
Unfortunately wasn’t christened Percy
Not even Wordsworth could have stifled a guffaw
Had Percy and Fanny announced themselves at his door….
July 28, 2008 at 4:42 pm
also enjoyed your unrhymable Houyhnhnms, cs.
apparently ‘orange’ is a rhymers’ nightmare
i see the clerihewists are on a roll after a brief hiatus from Prefect Ned – could almost sense the whole thread under the threat of detention
July 28, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I hope the thread has been saved by McGonagall. Over to you, Steve. Cometh the hour …
July 28, 2008 at 5:58 pm
…cometh the McGonagiggle.
July 28, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Despite freep’s generous comments on the clerithread, I don’t know much about McG – save the obvious….although I gather he was much in demand as a “performance poet”….there must surely be a good biog somewhere….
And yes: I too hope we’ve turned the tide on that thread….I wonder if the absence of PotW is our punishment for earlier naughtiness….?
July 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm
The trick about McG is that he was so bad that it takes a good eye to see all the badnesses in him. Mish got one of them deliciously, but there are more, and the more energy you put into parody, the greater is the reward..
July 28, 2008 at 8:09 pm
McG certainly had the tin ear to end all tin ears….I continue to be amazed at how he could get such sustained discordance into even the simplest lines….I once had a fancy to rewrite one or other elegant Shakespeare piece a la McG, but it was just too bloody difficult….
July 28, 2008 at 8:36 pm
BTW, an update on Michele’s “Designing to Poetry” project – she finally finished a piece inspired by the phrase “Starless and Bible Black” (either from Dylan Thomas or King Crimson; take your pick….) Since her blog is in temporary abeyance until we deal with the copying issues, the picture is on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27647409@N08/2706356128/
July 28, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Well Minerva is a descendant, she likely could supply missing information; but I think Steve you do know.
July 28, 2008 at 8:58 pm
re a much earlier discussion about whether to plug one site’s or not: i may not have garnered so many hits by placing the odd link on GU (8 unique, acc to my stats), or making apposite comments on other people’s litblogs; but over the last few weeks, I have gained another 2 links to my site that others have put on their websites (The Complete Review and The Reading Experience, both highly respectable – in their way); and these are now bringing in their own referrals.
still, by far the most referrals come from this site; but how many I wonder are merely using it as a conduit?
July 28, 2008 at 10:53 pm
A conduit to what?
July 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Yes, that was all rather unclear. What I meant was a) that posting to the GU had probably caused others to link to my site, thus creating a cumulative effect; and b) that getting many referrals from this site to my own did not necessarily indicate a lot of individuals discovering me through this site (which is what you’d hope), but it could merely be that individuals have developed perhaps a daily pattern of first traversing this site and then at some point moving on to another – the supplied link being an all-too-convenient way of achieving this end.
July 28, 2008 at 11:28 pm
obooki, I think you’re right that our reciprocal links are convenient alley-ways….according to my stats page, your site is routinely one of the commonest routes in & out here….personally I tend to navigate via permanent bookmarks, so my meanderings wouldn’t show up on those links….
Dunno where all the other hits on this site come from (direct incoming links are a tiny fraction of the whole)….whether it’s the same small group of people with multiple visits, or flocks of lurkers….I’m reluctant to reveal numbers, but they do still pleasantly surprise me, even if they’re not astronomical….
July 28, 2008 at 11:30 pm
I do know though that most visitors here come for the gossip rather than my doggerel….which is fine….
July 28, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I see what you mean. Well, I have your site favourited, so I don’t use the link. I should think that’s true for others, too.
No disrespect to anyone intended but you’re going to get a different audience than the one for cs’ doggerel. I haven’t heard of 90% of the titles you mention, let alone read them.
July 29, 2008 at 12:15 am
I’m unfamiliar with most of obooki’s featured books too – but I value the site for that very reason. It’s on my daily blog-stroll….I guess the secret of getting more visitors is plug, plug & plug again….although a little piece of me dies each time I do so unsubtly….and without cute pictures of kittens with drolly misspelled captions, none of us is going to go stratospheric….
July 29, 2008 at 12:46 am
Yes, the articles are always interesting, and often force me to do a bit of thinking (which is an achievement in itself).
July 29, 2008 at 1:24 am
Oddly, it’s the more obscure books which actually get me visitors – presumably because I’m higher up on any google search which involves them. – Mind you, somewhere found my site from a google search “computer internet blog” the other day – how many pages did he/she search through first?
Of course we come here to read the doggerel; chatting is entirely secondary and only something we do to fill in the gap before more doggerel appears.
July 29, 2008 at 7:09 am
“and often force me to do a bit of thinking (which is an achievement in itself).”
Yeah Mel hafta admit in all honesty yours wuz the first case that came to mind when I seen this article on the Internet?
______Study: ‘Pre-dementia’ is rising, especially in men_________
Hey feel better soon bud. Role-playin’s fine by me and could just do the trick any way you look at it. You a German duchess or sumpn’ these days? This place can sure use the touch of class you bring to it.
July 29, 2008 at 10:58 am
I have you both bookmarked, but will hop from one to the other using those handy links you kindly provide.
July 29, 2008 at 11:06 am
hey Billy, you’re currently bookmarked on the front page of GU
July 29, 2008 at 11:32 am
very strange. 296 comments is a bit embarrasing, to be frank. I hope PotW appears soon.
July 29, 2008 at 11:37 am
I see all posts under Des’s new name have been removed, so now I’m at a much less embarrasing 292!
July 29, 2008 at 11:44 am
I must say, although I’m against banning posters on principle, (except in extreme circumstances), and I don’t think Des deserved to get banned, his posts do deserve to get axed. He just doesn’t sseem to get that the threads are not a soap-box for his personal screeds, even if they were intelligible, which they rarely are.
Perhaps you should set limericks, Billy. They look deceptively easy, but I think that there’s an art to them, albeit a minor one, but one syllable can mean the difference between a hit and a miss. Nice to see you on the front page for a change. I do hope Carol’s alright…
July 29, 2008 at 11:47 am
I’m thinking of Limericks at some point, thanks to a funny recent experience. But maybe a couple of weeks of more low-key topics to help me recover from the excitement first?
Des seems to me to have “it”, but to lack a self-editing gene. When I understand his posts, they frequently make me laugh.
July 29, 2008 at 11:52 am
I wonder if Carol is on holiday?
July 29, 2008 at 11:57 am
Holiday? Look, either you’re a poet or you’re not. Holidays are for plumbers and the like. Holiday, foresooth..next thing you know, these ‘poets’ will be whining about the neccesity of a roof over their heads and food on the table. Alas, we live in degenerate times.
July 29, 2008 at 12:03 pm
..agree with you, BTW: Des can be very amusing when he’s coherent. If only he’d learn to distill…
July 29, 2008 at 12:34 pm
It’s about time that I demanded they have the next episode of the World Literature Tour. It seems they leave it up to me to remind them.
July 29, 2008 at 12:36 pm
You know, I’d forgotten all about that. Where were we up to? Was it Rumania? Hungary?
July 29, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I think limericks are, in principle, a step up from the clerihew. A good clerihew can nail something about the subject, and not just find it amusing that Tennyson happens to rhyme with venison. You had some good ones, mish, that got at the character of the subject, and mm’s on Abba was a good group clerihew.
But the extra line of the limerick gives more space to deliver a moral or an argument or witticism. But Billy, your last starter was marred by some very weak invective from unequal participants who took it over and didn’t display much craftsmanship.
But both these ‘easy’ forms lead to overkill, don’t they? And so mish, your suggestion of more complex forms is welcome. We could go on all day in heroic couplets, but I know what’s good for me: I need practice in dithyrambs, Ionic feet, Sicilian Octaves and Scythian septets. All in the interests of Progressive Doggerel.
July 29, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Yeah, let’s hear it for sestinas…taht’ll seperate the men from the boys, although Billy would have to be prepared for somewhat fewer responses than 292, I suspect. I could be wrong.
July 29, 2008 at 12:57 pm
…Scythia septets? Are those the ones that sweep into the village, burn all the huts, rape all the women, steal anything that’s not nailed down and then fuck off back to the endless steppes to get slaughtered on kumiss?
July 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm
…still, I do think it woulkd be a good idea if Billy were to set no only the subject matter, but the verse form as well.
July 29, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Dunno what a Scythian Septet would be, but it would be ugly, violent, discordant and right up Billy’s street. And I could do with a drop of kumiss right now, to see me through smashing a wall down.
Agreed, we need to be told subject matter, form and how much per line. I like being told to build a chicken shed, sea wall or folly, and doing the business with whatever comes off the truck. My going rate is sixteen roubles per stanza, with quantity discount, like Des favours.
July 29, 2008 at 2:39 pm
… and I don’t recall what the World Literature Tour involved, but sounds good. We might be able to contribute:
[a] A transsexual whaler’s song from Kerguelen Island, in Sapphics, or
[b] An Armenian Dervish’s lullaby to his sick triplets, in Monk’s Tale stanzas, or
[c] An acrostic Limerick limerick …
July 29, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I generally feel that World Literature Tour, as practised on GU, misses a trick….the opportunity is there to talk about (or invent; they don’t always exist) common characteristics within a country’s canon….yet what we inevitably get is merely a list of titles from the Eager Beavers….it could, without loss of accuracy or contribution, be retitled World Librarians’ Tour….