doggerel….
June 13, 2008
I’m not sure what to call this piece: I had several titles in mind – “doggerel that is called doggerel”; “self-reverence”; “lynx hunt”; “punctuated equilibrium”; “arsy doggerel” – no matter; whatever the title, it’s a fall-flat-on-my-face piece….but I have nothing else to post….sharp-eyed readers may see what I was trying to do….I am indebted to Billy Mills for pointing me in the direction of some interesting poetry, although he may be less happy with the use I have made of it….
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Dislike it: really, you should fiddle and fret
(and quite probably you do; you toads….)
it’s contemptible, disingenuous; yet
you can’t help yourself, though it forbodes
a lack of judgement on your, the readers’, part:
don’t you have jobs to do, or silence to wean?
processing these words isn’t the way to art -
live a life: stay away from the profane screen….
So you want to be a reader? Don’t do it.
don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it;
because I’m the only one who can do it right;
don’t do it, don’t do it; alright, do it….
(Hint: watch out for the moose (should there be a moose
in this piece….which would be odd, n’est-ce pas?)
this is a doggerel about doggerel: how obtuse
would it be to mention, desperately,
a moose, along with vices and virtues?)
Still: palpably moot, or moose, or pamplemousse,
we have doggerel of St Vitus vitality
mooning the reader, moody or rude (you choose: )
the thing is, a doggerel should neither mean nor be….
Or if not a moose, then a mouse on the scuttle
to tickle and tease the depth out of these words
I wouldn’t use torture – that’s way too unsubtle
for what’ll result if you squeeze the absurd….
Dear Mr (or Ms) cynicalsteve, would you mind
awfully printing out your entire oeuvre
rhymes and all? Your doggerel is much maligned
and I’d like to malign it more; with verve….
Your faithful servant, Ms (nee Mr) Leurker.
(Dear Ms Leurker: have a heart!
Rhyming verse is hardly art!
It doesn’t really need to be
dismantled in your PhD….)
As poets condense, we doggerelists inflate
but we never forget who came first;
in a parallel universe, though, we create
and the poets respond with bad verse….
Still, the rhythmic drums have spoken and you’re
counting down the stanzas, hoping soon there’ll be an end:
and you’re in luck
my friends….
June 13, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hi steve,not sure if I can pick up on the multiple-entendres in your verse – low-flying moose over my head.
Lynx-hunt I like – hunting for missing blog links? or searching the northern night sky for the giraffe and the lynx constellation? Moondoggeral
June 13, 2008 at 5:06 am
obtuse and moose … I wanted verjuice not virtues
June 13, 2008 at 6:15 am
Am going offline now to read your latest post, dgg . . . This is just to let obooki and Des know that I’ve posted something of possible interest to them on your last thread.
Des, if you’re reading here . . . I’ll reply to No___e at the other place as soon as I can.
June 13, 2008 at 6:31 am
Oh, a title? . . . Chutzpah: Oompah Ooompah Oompah . . .
especially for:
‘As poets condense, we doggerelists inflate
but we never forget who came first;
in a parallel universe, though, we create
and the poets respond with bad verse….’
WOT a nerve! My favourite verse:
‘Still: palpably moot, or moose, or pamplemousse,
we have doggerel of St Vitus vitality
mooning the reader, moody or rude (you choose: )
the thing is, a doggerel should neither mean nor be….’
. . . in the same divine spirit as this, from your last thread:
‘. . . eternally disputed between tarts and art students…”’
BRAVO, IMP (ardent, fully paid-up Powell Dancer hurls wheelbarrow-load of daffodil bulbs at him joyfully)
June 13, 2008 at 7:30 am
Steve. Consummate genius. Could any other poems of allegedly low ambition start with the injunction ‘Dislike it…’, occupy the reader in moose hunting, satirise the actions of transsexual postgraduate lurkers, address and lampoon reader-response theorising, AND use the colon with such verve, panache and delicate wristwork?
And I really like ’silence to wean’. A triumph. Take these pies and feed your lucky and deserving family with them. Worth several monographs.
A title competition is needed. I will rack my head as I walk my hound among the sea wrack.
June 13, 2008 at 8:52 am
Wonderful. Might I suggest “How to be a Doggerelist: A Natural Thing” as a suitably convoluted title? I’ll never see Duncan’s moose in quite the same light again.
June 13, 2008 at 9:27 am
‘Colonic Erudition’?
June 13, 2008 at 10:54 am
I’d like to malign it… but I can’t see how to.
June 13, 2008 at 11:21 am
Thanks for all the comments….there are clickable links to the originals btw in each stanza….just click on the dots
….and a (necessarily) incomplete list of self-referential poems here:
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/20035
Thanks again to Billy, who responded to my request to be pointed in the direction of self-referntial poetry with a goodly list – I enjoyed reading all the poems you recommended. Here’s one from Billy’s selection:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=174531
and some from the poets.org list that I loved, but didn’t use:
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19728
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19638
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/16573
June 13, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Steve, glad to see you using Lorine’s condensery, I’m a fan
http://www.lorineniedecker.org/win08.pdf
(do a find for READING LORINE NIEDECKER)
And the Swift is a real gem.
June 13, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I didn’t realise you’d written a poem about Niedecker….enjoyed it….shall check out more of her work, btw….I’ve just read her biog on wiki (don’t know whether you contributed?) – sounds like she had a hard life; and then, to cap it all, her name is misspelled on her gravestone….
June 13, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Yep, I wote the first version; a hard life indeed. Glad you liked the poem.
June 13, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Hi dear doggerelists,
Took some time to find and read:(
Thanks for the beautiful pics of flowers, and for everything else, really.
There were some questions about anarchyrises, now extinct, on the February comments which i have read with gusto. You are so well mannered, thanks again, you could have just called me “names”, but no, you were even friendly! That shows SOME intelligence. Questions about inspired by what, on some inspired lunatic texts. Just forget about it all will you? Of course inspired by poppies, of the blue sort.
But that alter ego wrote under any circumstances, whether pissed or not. He was quite misled by the lack of introductions to the GU poetical threads, anyway.
June 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm
….February comments….? That shows dedication….
And, of course, the doggerel blog welcomes dedicated readers….
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I have summer clothes and winter clothes; a summer quilt and a winter quilt; and to some extent my diet alters seasonally….but, heck, does anyone *really* read different books in different seasons….? Or is the “summer read” blog a case of “Here’s a lazy blog idea; now where’s my £75?”….bloody list blogs: I hate them….
June 13, 2008 at 11:38 pm
It’s that bloody Woodard again, the monoglot French literature specialist. Perhaps ArtPepper will give him a blast from his instrument.
That Niedecker poem, and the moon one, is in BM’s Five Easy Pieces which I bought on Amazon. Darwin and his worms feature. I can’t figure out if the erratum slip is real or not.
Hope you managed to watch the game tonight. The Guardian’s team look like they will carry all before them.
June 13, 2008 at 11:52 pm
So is it only £75?
I have to catch up with so much reading and overcome this laziness! Doggerel may be a reliable source of references.
June 14, 2008 at 12:32 am
MM – I’ve several times wanted to ask what you made of Billy’s book, but didn’t want to cause embarrassment to anyone. I’ve only read the few pieces of his work that are available online. One of these days I’ll splash out though, as I’ve enjoyed what little I’ve read.
I’d have to confess that when I started this blog six months ago I was pretty scathing of modern poetry – or what I thought of as typical of modern poetry. Contempt born of ignorance, sadly….having now read at least a smattering of pieces, prompted in no small part by Carol’s and Billy’s blogs on GU and also by links and poems posted there by others, I find myself genuinely liking more and more….not something I expected to happen….by no means do I like everything I read, nor will I refrain from sending up pieces I like (affectionately, as I’ve tried to do for *most* of the pieces above), as well as the bad stuff (I’m still poetically ignorant, so I suppose I should caveat that as “pieces I haven’t got round to liking yet”….)
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My favourite erratum slip (which I know I’ve mentioned before; but still….) read: “Erratum: for “erratum” read “errata” “….or vice versa….sounds like a Sellar & Yeatman joke, but I can’t remember where I read it….
June 14, 2008 at 12:39 am
….I’m intensely curious, unworthy and trivial as it might be, as to the contents of the suspect erratum slip in Billy’s book….
June 14, 2008 at 4:14 am
Thanks Billy for the nod towards Robert Duncan – I have just spent a pleasurable morning idly grazing and browsing Duncan’s profile and poetry on the poetry foundation website and have found (apart from the moose) ‘Often I’m Permitted to Return to a Meadow’. I think: ‘a disturbance of words within words / that is a field folded’ will keep me occupied me for the rest of the day
June 14, 2008 at 9:53 am
I am interested in reading more by BM and MM. Has MM any poetry collections published offline? Is the name BM also on the book cover?
June 14, 2008 at 1:30 pm
ropeofsand – the first link on the blogroll (on the right) takes you to a site (Wild Honey Press) with more info on Billy’s poetry.
Assuming that by “MM” you mean not Marianne Moore, but MeltonMowbray – then that’s a question only he can answer….
June 14, 2008 at 2:00 pm
This article is an example of the kind of provocative piece that IMHO would have made a good blog:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2285433,00.html
June 14, 2008 at 4:21 pm
“As poets condense, we doggerelists inflate
but we never forget who came first;
in a parallel universe, though, we create
and the poets respond with bad verse….”
I enjoyed your poem- though i still have to look words up in the dictionary.
June 14, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Thanks, doggerelist, also for your previous message which was comforting.
i’ve been looking for the Catullus blog, mentioned by WN7, but is it this one?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/03/the_supreme_poet_of_spring.html
And i am enjoying the piece by the young poet Nick from London, i mean the article
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2285433,00.html
My perceptions are very similar to his.
You mean provocative because of his suggestions about the order of words, i suppose. Yes.
June 14, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Steve: agreed; that was a nice little piece from Nick Laird on words and inspiration and polishing. Some of Billy’s threads go in the kind of way Nick describes, and they have been really good. Sometimes it is an image or a snatch of music that nags away in the mind before the words come, and it might be that Billy could give a slightly narrower focus in future weeks so that we could do a bit more collaborative poeticising.
Thanks for your obsvns on modern poetry, and I agree Billy has given some excellent leads. As Nick Laird has it, and as so many here show, Wallace Stevens is often a kind of keystone of modern poetry – I think because his poems are so often impossible to paraphrase.
But let us not forget that doggerel reigns.
Beachcomber (J.B.Morton) was a master:
Bruised by the masseur’s final whack,
The patient lay without a sound;
Then coming to, he hit him back.
Now masseur’s in the cold, cold ground.
June 14, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Hmmmm … interesting freepoland for your Beachcomber post: ‘he hit him back.’
A good time to take stock: should it always be a ‘thee and me’ theme, that a winner must emerge?
Sometimes I wonder (Cif/GU book blog thread-wise) if this is what it’s all about?
But then there’s this haven – thanks to cynicalsteve. This thread feels like a pavilion, where we mutter to each other before an avatar ventures out into the field (in front of the Guardian audience) to perform. No applause until they retire from the field after a competent innings.
Remind me again, who is the opposition?
June 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm
” Sometimes it is an image or a snatch of music that nags away in the mind before the words come…”
That’s often the way it is for me – having chosen a theme or a vague idea (vague, rather like that dream you almost remember but can’t grasp), I let it flicker on the edge of the mind whilst doing something mindless, until a line or a phrase comes up….all of which is just a pretentious way of saying you can’t force these things
June 14, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Btw “Remind me again, who is the opposition?” was a question thrown to the wolves (or whomever has an answer, or even contemplation on the topic) and not specifically directed at freep … of course
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June 14, 2008 at 8:54 pm
“Opposition?”….hmmm….I suspect sometimes the real poets see it as an us & them dichotomy, but that’s not my intention….we are more the ball-boys to the poets’ team, and not really the Goicocheas or Hunters….
June 14, 2008 at 9:49 pm
‘Real poets,’ cs? I laughed at the idea that the ball boys might venture on to centre court – it’s a good image. Especially since I hate tennis so much. The cricket pavilion is more congenial, but I find myself wondering what a ‘competent innings’ might be.
It’s worrying that so much literary activity hinges on competition and publication.
‘George Featherstonehaugh, runner up in the Scottish and Newcastle 2005 doggerel awards, has taken the lead in the Sainsburys Interactive Sonnets on Ice competition, with a Petrarchan reverse two and a half twists in the pike position, concluding in a subtle couplet translated from the Portuguese…’
I know what you mean, parallax, about the ‘winner’ aspect, and it’s uncomfortable … but in the absence of any monetary rewards that anyone has for writing poetry, I suppose there’s built in the idea that this X might be better than that Y for all sorts of reasons. Maybe the fact that it’s all mayfly stuff, forgotten in 24 hours, means that this medium is a good one for poetry – dunno.
Someone needs to propose a theory about how to value poetry blogs so we can have a good argument about it. It may mean risking making many obvious and shallow assertions before we could get down to what people think they are doing / gaining / giving / communicating.
June 14, 2008 at 11:10 pm
It’s difficult to deny the competitive aspect of verse – but is there any artistic endeavour where you don’t see a colleague’s work and think “how can I improve on that”….? You don’t (necessarily) have to subscribe to the Vidal doctrine (“It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.”), but I doubt any poet tries to write the second best poem….and doggerelists are no different….there’s a strong ego behind every poem and doggerel, much as it may be disguised….still, it oughtn’t to prohibit appreciation and admiration of others….and no-one will ever write a poem that renders further poems pointless….except in a sci-fi novel….
June 15, 2008 at 12:58 am
If you were referring to me, rope of sand, I’m strictly a dilettante. Considering English isn’t your first language your poems are admirable. Mishari/ArtPepper seems to be able to write well in any number of languages (I don’t know what he would consider to be his first language): I’m still struggling with English, which I’ve spoken all my life.
I think BM has made his position clear on criticism on various threads: if its out there it’s fair game. I wasn’t overwhelmed first time through FEP but it definitely grows on you. There’s still an element of ambiguity in my response, which I tried to outline in the piece on Tribute poems. What BM said about ‘In Memoriam’ was pertinent: that too much of it is superfluos padding to fill out the requirements of prosody, or highly conventional ideas transliterated into verse for no particular reason. Why not reduce it to its essence? On the other hand, I think you lose something by denying yourself the full resources of language. Wallace Stevens is a good example: you could reduce, say, ‘To The One Of Fictive Music’ to something more essential, but the language makes the poem. Anyway, the book is well worth a look. The tampax section in ‘a small love song’ caused the first-ever quarrel about poetry in our house, my view that it was clever and amusing opposed by my daughter’s view that it was ‘just stupid’. Not what I would call an articulate criticism, as I remarked at the time. There was a certain chill in the air for the rest of the evening.
in this
precise
time
at this
precise
time
precisely
ERRATUM
finding the comfrey page two:
in this/precise/time
should read:
in this/precise/place
That must have been really annoying, if it isn’t some kind of postmodern device.
June 15, 2008 at 5:09 pm
This week on Dr Who’s lit love in … the poetry of Christina Rossetti (Or, Xtina Rossetti as she’d probably be known if she were versifying today). Goblin Market.
June 15, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Although it’s been good to see the literary references, the Agatha Christie episode I thought was poor (giant wasps? We’re back in Sylvester McCoy territory there, I fear….); and the second part of the giant library story was weak….this last paranoia episode I liked: with son of Who II as a character and another Troughton (I’m guessing granddaughter, but I’m not nerdy enough to check) as director, how could it fail?
June 15, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I agree the giant wasp was naff, but it doesn’t just go back to McCoy – I remember an old b+w one from v early, when the Dr’s granddaughter was in it, and they were miniaturised / on a planet of giants and had to cope with giant insects. Funnily, the way they had to do it then – the way Harryhausen did Gulliver’s Travels – holds up better than modern CGI. But overall I liked the Agatha Christie episode, it was mostly light and fluffy.
The library two-parter I really liked I’m afraid. I loved the way they can still scare kids, how kids can be scared by things in shadows but when you shown them big bad monsters they hardly even flinch. And I liked the whole River Song thing, how he’s going to have this relationship in his future and know all through it how it’s going to end.
This week’s one was the shoe-string episode (single set, small number of characters) but I thought worked pretty well.
I know my calling it a lit love-in is an exaggeration of generous proportions, but I *do* like the way they squeeze lit in subtly, none of this Rosen-like crap about how essential and all-important lit is, none of this Special Case crap. It feels kinda natural the way it pops in. It’s not force-fed.
The Troughton son … which one was he? The father guy who looked a bit like yer man from The Office? And you know that one of the Doctors’ daughters was in it a few weeks back? Talk about keeping it in the family
June 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm
“And you know that one of the Doctors’ daughters was in it a few weeks back? Talk about keeping it in the family”
And what’s more, the Doctor’s daughter played…the Doctor’s daughter….Troughton jr played the prof this time round….(you have no idea how tacky I feel knowing this stuff; it’s rather like playing those pub quiz machines: you *want* to win, but equally don’t want to be seen as one of those people who knows the TV trivia necessary to win….)
June 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Meanwhile: I see there are more of those genetically-impelled writers at large on the (almost defunct) age-banding GU blog (although they sound very much like one human with two blog-names)….I really don’t buy this “gotta write” thing….
June 15, 2008 at 11:07 pm
“you have no idea how tacky I feel knowing this stuff”
I can already imagine the headlines: Doggerelist Revealed As Secret Whovian. Claims: “I had to do it, it’s a pathological condition. It is what I am and what I do.”
June 15, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Heh, heh….it can be a tricky balancing act – enjoying (some bits of) popular culture whilst appearing to be above it all….I’ll confess to reading through trivia about various TV shows on wiki in the dark hours, although I certainly won’t name them….
June 15, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Oh. My. God. You come out as a secret Wiki reader. Billy comes out as a secret Wiki editor. And to think, I felt guilty for having a little Dr Who fetish. Youse guys are like so totally more nerdy than me.
June 15, 2008 at 11:45 pm
“Oh. My. God. You come out as a secret Wiki reader…”
….the worst aspect of that is having to keep a second window of porn open, just so I can quickly dump the wiki and appear normal if anyone walks in….
June 16, 2008 at 7:58 am
A real error on that erratum slip, and it was bloody annoying.
I’m a secret ex-wikipedia editor, btw.
June 16, 2008 at 8:38 am
Three threads, fed by virtually ONE brilliant lone poet, all weekend long:
Don CS
Primo Premio Assoluto
B R A V O
Bis! Bis!
June 16, 2008 at 10:11 am
Billy: You remind me of that joke about the guy who built all those stone walls, and all those houses and so on and is annoyed that he’s only known for something he did just the once. You’ll always be known as a Wiki Editor, I’m sorry. It’s like shagging sheep.
Anyway. Time to let something out of the Old Jokes Home on day release. I was cleaning some files of an old puter last night and these appeared on a site I sued to have. Apparently they were entries to a competition asking for a rhyme with the most romantic first line but least romantic second line:
Love may be beautiful, love may be bliss
but I only slept with you, because I was pissed
I thought that I could love no other
Until, that is, I met your brother
Of loving beauty you float with grace
If only you could hide your face
Kind, intelligent, loving and hot
This describes everything you are not
I want to feel your sweet embrace
But don’t take that paper bag off of your face
I love your smile, your face, and your eyes-
Damn, I’m good at telling lies!
My darling, my lover, my beautiful wife:
Marrying you screwed up my life
I see your face when I am dreaming
That’s why I always wake up screaming
My feelings for you no words can tell
Except for maybe “go to hell”
Roses are red, violets are blue,
I’m getting desperate, you look like you’ll do.
What inspired this amorous rhyme?
Two parts vodka, one part lime
Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, and so are you.
But the roses are wilting, the violets are dead, the sugar bowl’s empty and so is your head.
June 16, 2008 at 10:14 am
fmk: “these appeared on a site I sued to have”
Typo of the week and it’s only Monday!
Actually, I stand over my Wiki contributions; pity about what happened to them after I left.
June 16, 2008 at 11:18 am
Billy: My tpyos, are getting worser the last few days. Not concentrating on what I’m tpying.
That you can actually write something good on Wiki and then see it bowlderised into Wiki-speak is one of the many things that’s put me off ever contributing to Wiki, even on subjects where I could contribute meaningfully.
June 16, 2008 at 11:30 am
My last major contribution, the article on The Cantos, is just too long and detailed for the flattening to have really kicked in yet, but it will, it will.
I’m in no position to criticise typos, am I. I just really envied the used/sued one.
June 16, 2008 at 1:12 pm
“Bruised by the masseur’s final whack,
The patient lay without a sound;
Then coming to, he hit him back.
Now masseur’s in the cold, cold ground.”
Yep, parallax, i agree doggerel may be effective as a counter punch to the sublime, the idealist side, but it becomes also repetitive.
It’s sad to think of poets competing, though my ego is likely to be as terrible as any other’s. Where is the opposition? To the sublime in all its forms? Little victory in that.
Take MM’s poem about the moon, the one with the verrucae and the pus. Effective? Yes, in a way, by itself?. But, excuse my language, shitting and pissing , and farting, have always been a cheap trick to please any audience.
Sometimes doggerel looks like W. Disney’s factory cartoons. You laugh at the cat or coyote being blown to pieces. But we are not 5 year olds.
June 16, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Point taken, but I fear, ropeofsand, that doggerel must have its scabrous side, or it will drown in a sea of musical decency, polite jokes and whimsy. Unless, as sometimes happens, it sneaks unnoticed into the category marked ‘poetry’, which I have seen happen on this very site. And MM has been a poetry culprit.
June 16, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“What BM said about ‘In Memoriam’ was pertinent: that too much of it is superfluos padding to fill out the requirements of prosody, or highly conventional ideas transliterated into verse for no particular reason. Why not reduce it to its essence?”
Hi Melton,
Yes i understand this. And look forward to BM’s article on the Cantos, which i might have just slipped by through too quick browsing.
And please don’t take my words as any kind of censorship whatsoever.
Ideas transliterated into verse. Is that avoidable? I am right now experimenting on an invented language, a sort of villanelle, but it’s taking too long…
Cuí, cuí, tacuarémbo ramaní
o einen, o keiner, o niemand, o du
for rhymes A and B
but second line is by Paul Celan, which i´d rather not touch,
Could you provide a verse ending in a “u” or “oo” as good as Celan´s?
June 16, 2008 at 2:58 pm
ropeofsand “…I agree doggerel may be effective as a counter punch to the sublime, the idealist side, but it becomes also repetitive.”
It’s a challenge to avoid biff-bang punchlines in doggerel, just as it is to avoid being twee. I’m not a fan of too much crudity in verse – not from prudishness, but simply because one well-placed word usually has the greater impact IMO. (Which is why the previous piece has one, but only one, f-word (for alliterative effect….), even though the subject matter would seem to lend itself to all manner of crudeness.) So I won’t claim to necessarily achieve that balance, but the danger of overkill is always in mind.
In the end, the point of a doggerel is to raise a laugh – cruelty is a staple of humour, so it’s necessarily going to intrude in verse humour, at least occasionally. In contrast, here’s a piece by an amateur author (I assume: the author is pseudonymous) which came up in my searches for self-referential poetry which relies solely on ingenuity & which I liked:
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-chromosome-numbers-change.html
June 16, 2008 at 4:36 pm
wordnerd: “Three threads, fed by virtually ONE brilliant lone poet, all weekend long:
Don CS…”
Which three threads….?
I have enough trouble keeping *this* one going….and apart from one post on Billy’s blog, I’ve commented nowhere else, either as me or pseudonymously, for ages….
June 16, 2008 at 5:19 pm
….and I’ll make this promise: if anyone calls me on a specific pseudonymous comment, I’ll come clean immediately (there’d be no point continuing once you’re sussed)….but since I haven’t done such a thing for a long time, and have no plans to do so again, I shan’t waste any more energy defending myself here….
June 16, 2008 at 10:53 pm
You are Michael Rosen and I claim my £5. Abrams disappears, wn7 reappears. Coincidence?
I have a taste for the cheap joke, ropeofsand, and since I’m the only member of the audience I usually indulge it. On the moon poem, driving home I saw two women sitting at a bus stop and TS Eliot’s immortal lines from The Waste Land flashed into my mind. I thought I’d whip up an Eliot omelette but somehow it ended up as scrambled egg. No matter: as freepoland says, it’s mayfly stuff.
I’ve sweated blood over your departures poem, freep, but I am unable to construe it. Any hints?
June 16, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Forgot to mention that the bamboo has just produced a shoot. Its little chum has taken a good deal of slug damage, though it’s still alive.
June 16, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Glad to hear the bamboo made it….the bergenia (I assume that’s what the “little chum” is) should get there in the end, once it builds up a decent root system….
Our garden here appeared to shoot up in just a few days recently – we keep catching glimpses of flowers from upstairs windows without being able to find out what they are….we’re on fertile soil above a high water table, and having spent several years barrowing well-rotted manure (delivered by our friendly neighbouring farmer in agricultural quantities) onto all parts, you can perhaps imagine what happens when nature takes over….last week we saw a *huge* white flower apparently emanating from one of the raised nursery beds we once built – I kid you not when I say we couldn’t even hack our way close enough to identify it – and in the process of trying, one of us came too damn close for comfort to putting a foot through a (now engulfed) glass light….much of the surrounding grass is, without exaggeration, taller than me….scary….
June 16, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Bergenia, you mean pigsqueak?
That will be good, when are they going to flower?
June 16, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Yes, bergenia, I couldn’t immediately think of the name. Your garden sounds fascinating, a Romantic’s dream. I’ve more or less given up planting annuals since the foliage from the mature shrubs has taken over what used to be flower beds. Growth this year has been phenomenal. It’s a bit wild and scruffy (though we do cut the grass), rather like the interior of the house (we vacuum occasionally).
June 17, 2008 at 7:12 am
cs: your garden sounds a wonder. But take care lest there be a cougar among the brambles. And once bamboo gets a hold, you can lose whole families for weeks. It is a great time of year for growing and I don’t know why any of us sits at a screen when there is so much to see, even in a single flower pot.
MM I wouldn’t spend time on my last poem. I should have indicated that I think it was a draft – tho never quite sure. I like to try conversation poems, and that one was just impersonating a callow man who sets out with a few grand ideas, but is put in his place by an experienced woman. This can be both humiliating and exciting, I suppose, and as I get older, I feel that about many departures. The rest is really for the reader to make whatever sense of they like.
I see the elephant has come back to trample in Carol’s neat parterre.
June 17, 2008 at 8:01 am
Morning, gang. I take it, freep, you’re referring to skyler, who I’m convinced is actually Des after a high-speed OU course.
June 17, 2008 at 8:17 am
Has this bastard new laptop messed up my avatar?
June 17, 2008 at 8:17 am
…ok, I had to log in to wordpress first.
June 17, 2008 at 8:19 am
Morning mishari, and I expect you have been devoting time to your bergenias. Can you work up a departure poem? (Not meaning I wish you to vanish, of course); Billy’s thread is good on quality this week, with one or two new voices that speak well, but the quantity is a bit low.
Yes, it looks like Des has been at the OU course books again. I worked for the OU for 25 years, and sometimes the results weren’t pretty. I came to believe that being self-taught was often as good as being led by authoritative guides, esp when it came to writing, literature and so on.
June 17, 2008 at 9:08 am
bergenias, begonias…I leaves all this ‘a garden is a lovesome thing, god wot’, to cynical vita sackville-steve and percy melton thrower.
Yes, I’m tinkering with a departure, (or arrival) piece for Billy’s thread. I expect it’ll be the usual sub-standard fare. Oh, well…onward and downward.
June 17, 2008 at 9:30 am
Overkill as many as you want, after all they´re just weeds.
“The Opportunists (or Generalists) will inherit the Earth” according to Richard Attenborough in “The Life of Mammals”.
June 17, 2008 at 9:36 am
Tinkering feels the right word. There’s another one hanging about my festering cerebellum, seems to be about God wearing glasses and about to depart, but it’ll probably turn out God is me in a black mood, or my dad or something far subber-standard than yours. Maybe an injection will help.
ropeofsand, ‘just weeds’ – but what vigour they have; they make mammals look anaemic.
June 17, 2008 at 9:47 am
freep: you’e right about the new voices this week; some really good stuff. But sub-standard offerings from the regulars are always welcome
CS, we all know that you are Des, ATF, freep, MM, TBOS, Iant, ISA, and me.
June 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I am? Oh well, could be worse….
June 17, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I may be terribly biased on one side, but i think MM´s last couple of political poems on departure are great!
June 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Steve: here’s another “poem about poetry” you might enjoy:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=181126
June 17, 2008 at 4:09 pm
freep
your poems of course i have to read twice and three times, look up words in dictionaries, etc. This is a compliment actually. (Weeds, like brown rats, will inherit the Earth).:)
June 17, 2008 at 4:24 pm
ropeofsand: Thanks, I take it as a very big compliment. Dictionaries, thesaurus, Atlas, Bible, all the necessary tools. I often find a big dictionary of Quotations a good stimulus for ideas and connections. And I always appreciate a good index in any book. Google is sometimes just not right for picking up connections.
June 17, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Thanks for the link, Billy. I thought Bernstein overegged his point in that one – the faux naif questions went on too long, with the same point (that poets use figures of speech & imagery; well, duh….) repeated….but I don’t know whether he was (mock) reading from some of his own poetry, someone else’s, or purely imagined poems, so I may well have missed something important….
June 17, 2008 at 10:21 pm
I agree with freepoland about using reference books rather than relying on google & wiki….permanently to hand here I have a serious dictionary, thesaurus, ODQ, Brewer’s, RHS Plant Finder, various specialist plant books, a book on insects, and Bradford’s Crossword Solver’s Dictionary, all of which get regular usage….
June 17, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Au revoir les Bleus. Moaning to the end. It has to be Spain or Holland now.
I can’t see the point of a crossword dictionary. In extremis I sometimes try the thesaurus, but it tastes like defeat. That 21st century Chambers is useless for anything even slightly obscure. I’ve gone back to using my pre-war 20th c.
Thanks for the pointer, freep. Previously I couldn’t get a grip on it at all. Those horny feet were bugging me until I located them in the Emperor of Ice Cream.
I wonder if DS is thinking of Sylar?
June 18, 2008 at 7:55 am
MM; I suspect it will be Italy or Germany.
June 18, 2008 at 8:21 am
‘doggerelist Says:
June 16, 2008 at 5:19 pm
….and I’ll make this promise: if anyone calls me on a specific pseudonymous comment, I’ll come clean immediately’
Gosh, thanks, dgg. You’re a prince among bloggers. But then there’d be the little problem of how you define ‘me’. Ahem. [brief throat-clearing rapidly . . . mysteriously . . . becomes choking fit]
That was a really clever way to illustrate the heights your weeds and grasses have reached — the incommensurable views from above and below. I see them all too clearly. . . But like you, I suspect I’d take a perverse delight in the encroaching wildness.
June 18, 2008 at 9:54 am
Sometimes I wonder whether people really can read; perhaps only see a cover and words.
June 18, 2008 at 10:07 am
Cheer up, iant! ‘Twas a most jolly changing directions poem yesterday. At least people on here can read and write. Close reading is both good discipline and good fun. I was convulsed over MM’s close reading of Billy’s fisherman’s clogs. And quite moved by Mishari’s departure that was a homecoming.
Sylar; Sycorax; the Skylon; Shylock? No, prob Skylark, a bird that goes up in the sky, twitters on for ever and you can’t see what it’s up to.
June 18, 2008 at 10:18 am
Ah but freepoland, are you really privileged to all? For that matter should you be? Mind you many times I’ve felt I was being set up; one can never be sure.
June 18, 2008 at 11:08 am
‘privileged’? ’set up’ ? Sorry, iant, you’ve lost me.
June 18, 2008 at 11:47 am
freepoland,
did I mistake your 79? It certainly re-surfaced the suspicion.
btw battling passing out since 11, is not pleasant.
and should you have misinterpreted re my ‘changing directions,’ I am always happy to laugh at myself, i.e. making a fool of myself.
Also freepoland, try looking at the numbers game. I was always here alone, (oh I did bring along my ‘character friends’); was that true for others?
And should I have read you correctly, let me say freepoland, I am not an experienced woman, other then in the sense of fencing, in the area of diverting. Many, many games and many many plays have I encountered. One to one is fine, but one against many….!!!
Now away to read something lighter to tickle my funny bone.
June 18, 2008 at 1:07 pm
WTF?
June 18, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Ah, Iant…as gnomic as ever, I see.
June 18, 2008 at 1:09 pm
what’s happened to my bastard avatar? Goddamn new machine..
June 18, 2008 at 1:09 pm
…oh, never mind.
June 18, 2008 at 1:13 pm
On the Today program this morning, it was reported that one of the conditions of Abu Qatada’s bail was that he was forbidden visits from Osama Bin Laden.
Wow. A serious inconvenience, I don’t doubt.
June 18, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Firstly Mishari, I don’t like your avatar! But you clearly like it.
As I do my evaluation you don’t rate too badly; feel good, or maybe not, it doesn’t matter to me, only to you!
Guess what! I purchased a laptop; forgot I had it! It’s in the linen cupboard, on my demise, if not located can you tell my kin!
June 18, 2008 at 2:12 pm
To the rest of you, I wish you could understand, Misha is my BROTHER.
June 18, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Thanks for references to dictionaries. Also prefer old good volume, hand held books, and reading your poems after printing them makes life so much easier and my pained back so much more comfortable.
Who wouldn’t like Cristiano Ronaldo? (I mean, from an aesthetic viewpoint). Sort of demi/gods, aren’t they?
And perhaps most attractive words are those you can’t understand, like “pellucid” in “pellucid dawn” (from Immrama, one).
Can’t think of reading Pound without some sort of guidance.
June 18, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Learning from The Shorter Oxford English dictionary in 2 volumes, there is also “pellucidity”.
June 18, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Must not have pushed the ’submit’ button, so again
Misha,
in case my 89 was news to you, you are familar with “He Ain’t Heavy, He’s my Brother?”
June 18, 2008 at 11:11 pm
The old Hollies song?
” His welfare is maaahhh concern…”.
Sure. Never a favourite of mine, although your kind intention is appreciated.
June 19, 2008 at 12:02 am
Yes, Misha,
and I appreciate it could be updated.
A bet ah! Well they’ve been done before! Falsely won, I think before. Hope this time my virtue wins!
June 19, 2008 at 12:59 am
Oh Iamnothere,
Even I, could only listen to twenty seconds of that song, I recommend jazzing it up, making it hep’/with it; the words are fine!
First of all, score should be much quicker..
alright let some others put in input for instrumentals…
btw how’s that ‘Isabel’ thing going; remember you wrote the second paragraph. Oh dreadful thought, it might get across to that part of the world; it started with her eating a cherry ripe, you added bacon and eggs and not feeling well…
June 19, 2008 at 1:11 am
Angela,
I must say, sometimes you make me wonder….
June 19, 2008 at 5:46 am
You do improve the atmosphere when you stop in, lovely Angel . . . How are your flying lessons going?
Clever parallaxview, clevercleverclever you
:
‘parallaxview
Comment No. 1169354
June 19 5:11
Cross Threads On Arrival
(for Skyler)
Des: demon?
Ah, my oath
hello
Don’t go
there’s moor to embroider.
Do not waver
a handkerchief
fare
well’
June 19, 2008 at 6:37 am
Don’t all get carried away, I like to add various supposed scenarios (mind you they are shown when they are suppositions/assumptions); you too can read!
The bet (94) is purely one of many theories.
Seems though a lot of people have very little to occupy their minds, needing to buy into the lives of others.
We could make it even more interesting Misha; I know though, you’re tired and so am I.
I suspect though you are a Saint (sorry I couldn’t think of another comparable word; I don’t believe in them either,) compared to others I’ve encountered in recent months.
June 19, 2008 at 9:45 am
It would be interesting to compare notes on reference books people find valuable and those that are useless. Apart from straight dictionaries, English and other, quotations, Brewer and maybe classical dictionaries. It might save people money. I bought the Oxford Dictionary of Music and really dislike it – irritatingly elitist, with unnecessary abbreviations. And there as a Brewer’s Britain and Ireland, which tries to be cool, with jokes, but falls flat pretty often. Anyone know a good science dictionary?
June 19, 2008 at 10:30 am
the thing about Brewer’s is that whenever I come across a mythological or fabular(?) reference I don’t understand, I think ‘ah, that’ll be in Brewer’s!’ and it never is.
I’ve mentioned it before on Glagbags, but I love Benet’s Reader’s Encyclopedia, concentrating on writers/works but also including pithy summaries of the main themes and trends.
And Martin Seymour-Smith’s ‘Guide to ‘Modern World Literature’ (listing 20th century writers up until 1985), because the criticism’s so good in it.
June 19, 2008 at 10:43 am
and ps have you read some of the latest rabble on there …
“As both an artist and a poet”
Dante Gabriel, are you back from the dead at last? And if so why are you wasting your time on the Books Blog? You’ve discovered modern prevarication .. hey, if Dickens came back to the world of the distracting flashing screens maybe his novels would be 200 page masterpieces of concision.
June 19, 2008 at 11:19 am
you know Steve,
Iamnothere recalled you mentioned ‘Good feud, good whine,’
she remembered thinking not necessarily apt at that time.
Yes pretty poor, entertainment wise.
Let’s discuss dictionaries….one of her favourites is the Latin dictionary..
June 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I have Robert Graves’ The Greek Myths (vol i & ii)for all mythological references. It’s been OK up to now, though a bit idiosyncratic.
June 19, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Just when I was thinking GU had got its act together, having published some interesting blogs this week, up pops “Chas” again with a pathetic attempt at a trollblog….didn’t they learn from his ridiculous “Burchill & me” blog that he’s not exactly the sharpest page in the book? Anyone still unconvinced of this clearly hasn’t come across his pathetic interventions on Cif either….bring back Tony O’Neill, that’s what I say….
June 19, 2008 at 1:31 pm
This absurd ‘Chas’ creature…don’t you just want to kick him for, oh, say, a week? Tiresomely dim litle twerp.
June 19, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I also have at hand the Graves´Greek Myths, but prefer Olympian-based ones to pre-Olympian. As a teenager, Greek mythology was one of my favourite readings, but can´t remember title or edition now of that particular book (borrowed from our richer neighbours), with beautiful illustrations.
I badly need some sort of parallel time lists, showing both literary and historical events.
As for the weeds, learning how to use them to highlight the non weeds.
(So if you were to write some sort of “Terror poem” would you be a lyrical terrorist or an anti-? I wonder.)
As for the several possible titles for doggerel cs, i would choose:
“punctuated equilibrium”
June 19, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Also, comics were part of my favourite readings, i suppose someone might still remember Little Lucy and her friends? They also had comics on mythological adventures, even lives of saints, as well as Batman, Superman, o those were the days.
June 19, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Sorry, it wasn´t Little Lucy but “Little Lulu”
June 19, 2008 at 1:47 pm
The headline you won’t be reading in the Gruan’s meejah section:
“Gruan’s web traffic falls for fifth month in a row.”
The headline you’re more likely to see:
“Newspaper web stats called into question.”
June 19, 2008 at 2:03 pm
The Chas´ pseudo article > 75£ is far too much pay. But why call it a troll blog, just plain stupid.
June 19, 2008 at 2:28 pm
By the way, The Grauniad has taken to puttting ‘Website of the Year’ on it’s homepage. Oh, yeah? Says who, exactly? They don’t say. Self-awarded, I suspect. It’s all of a piece…
June 19, 2008 at 4:42 pm
ros: it wasn’t Roger Lancelyn(?) Green was it? i remember reading his mythology books as a child.
June 19, 2008 at 4:57 pm
ropeofsand -Why do I call it a trollblog? Because he’s merely trolling (it’s a fishing term) for comments by taking a ridiculous view, rather than discussing something sensible, or even discussing something silly with intent to give the punters a bit of a giggle. As I said, some of his comments on Cif go beyond stupid, to the point of unpleasantness.
Oh, and btw ropeofsand – the apparently discarded titles for this piece were just ways of hinting what the piece was based on, and where to find the hidden links….sorry….just one of my little puzzles, like WYSINWYG….
fmk – well, wherever that surplus web traffic may be going, it’s not here….figures have declined recently, although a slight recovery may now be apparent….and another milestone was reached today….thanks all….
June 19, 2008 at 5:07 pm
What milestone, Steve? Most visited doggerel blog in Eurasia? Most attractive contributors? CS: Champion Digression Quotient Facilitator? Or maybe you reached the Devon and Dorset diversity targets?
June 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm
What milestone? Trivially, just one of those occasions when lots of nines click over into zeroes, revealing a figure which, while quietly satsfying me, would simultaneously invite derision from other bloggers….
June 19, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Overly childish femods hating like a tiger; bullying for love of bend and meld, kneed collapse of poetries from the real fitzgerald, effin moo’ers..
the O Comman dossers took not the prose, but sliced the poem:
Nerja:
Ascending through clouds like winter fields of snow
laid bare blanketing warm tawny earth below
all our bodies
I dream of places where thoughts howling
and loud, spun scores of souls mixing in fire
and passion..”
~
acting the bollix just coz i aint there mooin on the sunken ship of foolish wimmin modern witches with click-control to CC effed out for Nerja: to wit, proof i am stupendously more childish than those silly mixer ups of Imramm and chassers Newkey B, proper gordons ranting, not British love for sunnie mac Nichols in the derbhfine, not for beauties berthed correct in the five way smack one out the quad here, this Trinity
..it’s just not on, i mean, c’mon, i was there, hammering right and left, knocking out the silly mooers not on through any love Lindon has for this eye disquised, padded up, just smacking balls with tew and ash, demolition poetry assassin, nomen: the first collection of S/he who acts like a big Man, removing love poetry just coz mister C appeared and hurled south munster’s Cork back tanners’ words at snip and sneer in a supposedly mature GUlag, but they didn’t nail this An Mhuman human mate/s.
gra agus siochainn
June 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Good to see some commenters calling the oik on his previous utterrances; although, as usual, he ignores these whilst continuing to simper at the more naive posters….I note artpepper (whohe? the style seems familiar….) has written a wholly endorsable comment too….the simple answer, of course, is not to go back to such trollblogs (and they’re common on Cif); but they have such a macabre fascination that one can’t help wanting to see how many more of the slack-jawed get sucked in….
June 19, 2008 at 6:56 pm
…. and there are not enough opportunities for vivid invective these days. Sometimes doggerel is not enough.
June 19, 2008 at 7:15 pm
…what I’d really like to do is take the cretinous little pustule outside and punch him very hard a lot of times. Second-hand books and second-hand book shops are one of my keenest pleaures and always have been.
Evidently, the twerp doesn’t read much or he’d realize that lots and lots of great books fall out of print and the only way to get them is eiher second-hand or at a library. Over half the books I buy from Amazon are second-hand of a neccesity.
The sneering at libraries kicked me up a gear from contempt for the little squit to visceral loathing. If I see his ferret-like visage again I’m going to be violently ill. Then I’m going to get his address. Then, I’m going to…you really don’t want to know.
June 19, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Uummmm … I think you’re taking him far too seriously. It’s blog bait. An easy article to toss off and almost guaranteed to draw in comments. It presses the red buttons. From my POV the only way is to play his game back and agree with him.
June 19, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Are you suggesting he’s being hypocritical and he doesn’t really believe what he’s saying?
Chas Newkey-Brown / Julie Burchill – it’s funny, I was watching the documentary Portillo on Thatcher the other day, and there’s such a striking resemblance in their relationships.
June 19, 2008 at 8:50 pm
fmk’s right, it’s blogbait – or a trollblog….easy to toss off, agreed; and ought to be equally easy to reject as unworthy of publication by GU, which is my point….I very much doubt the same word-for-word article submitted by one of us would have been considered….and I certainly don’t believe he believes in his thesis to the extent that he’s pitched it….
June 19, 2008 at 9:49 pm
At least the footy result will make MM happy in a schadenfreude way….
June 19, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Oh, right fmk…this from a man who wrote a million words on a thread about fucking age banding, for christ’s sake. Perhaps you feel as strongly about poxy age banding as I do about books and libraries. Your advice is noted and has been given all the attention it merits.
June 19, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Yes, I was mightily pleased to see the Portugeezers gutted, tempered by the knowledge that it was a German hand wielding the knife. Looks like BMs forecast might come true. My words were more in the nature of a prayer than a prediction.
Much as I admire your work, tbos, I must say that your words about smarmy egotistical self-loving ponce Cristiano Ronaldo are hard to forgive. Only pathetic deluded Bournemouth-dwelling ManU fans could like him, and soon they are going to hate him too.
June 19, 2008 at 11:47 pm
“Are you suggesting he’s being hypocritical and he doesn’t really believe what he’s saying?”
Perish the thought that he might be insincere. He probably just saw a batch of his books on sale in a secondhand shop and realised he wasn’t getting any royalties for them.
“equally easy to reject as unworthy of publication by GU”
I can only agree with that Steve. But have to had the point that the GU BB has no editorial policy. They’ll publish practically anything submitted to them. Especially if it’s by someone who has a book out. And I expect a similar article by you could as likely have been published, if submitted. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, when it comes to editorial decision making, they’re reactive, not proactive.
Mish: Yes, you’re right. They pushed my buttons. Not enough to get me foaming at the mouth, but enough to make me want to bat them down. I hate self righteous whining little shits who think writing is a sacred art and/or a pathological condition. But frankly I’d rather see a conversation about something that might actually happen than one that absolutely nothing will come off. I mean, come on, do we think the secondhand book trade is likely to disappear because of one wind-up merchant? And I’m sorry, even I, as someone who gets more than good value from their local library, find making jokes about libraries fun. It’s what I get for having lived with a librarian I suppose.
June 19, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Sorry, ropeofsand.
My Brewer is a concise edition from 1992. Some of the references to other entries don’t lead anywhere, which can be irritating. It’s probably a result of the editing to make it more concise. The Nigel Rees version has some quite interesting stuff in it. I sometimes check mythological stories in Enid Blyton’s book, which my daughter was very keen on as a kid. Speaking of which, Dr Rosen is rumoured as a possible speaker at graduation. His image is apparently plastered all over a bookshop in Exeter (Waterstone’s?) at the moment. To barrack or not to barrack?
June 20, 2008 at 12:04 am
MM – Michele’s apparently going shopping in Exeter with some friends at the w/e; I’ll try to persuade her to tear down the Rosen posters in the furtherence of performance art….alternatively, I suppose, she might shuffle the books from one section to another, in an attempt to confuse kids of a certain age….meanwhile I assume your daughter is well supplied with decaying fruit and over-dairied pastries, just in case….?
June 20, 2008 at 12:20 am
There was plenty of decaying stuff in the fridge in April. It’s probably still there.
June 20, 2008 at 3:05 am
That’s it. Rosen’s posters need to be took out the frame.
i wld suggest defacing with summat like:
F off MR yr a tw.t.
This can be done in conjuction with having a few cans and extorting loose change, walk about money, from the facist-commo scum out shopping, rubbing our bleedin noses in it, in effect, taking the mick out of us, looking at us funny as we sup, being more at one with the urban kaleidoscope through which one refracts the quotidian event in the orbital frame of say…ooh, i dunno, Milton Keyenes, can we go there and do it?
I’ve always fancied MK for a bit of wanton vandalism,e sort a few locals out, just a bit of defiling lamp posts, urinating in the street say, about half two in the afternoon, a few tins, great craic..
June 20, 2008 at 5:35 am
Thanks for the mention Wordy – was just sending a friendly hi to Des after shirt-fronting him on these pages a while ago – and obviously the poem was a nod of appreciation for doggeral’s allusions and WYS-ain’t-WYGs.
Anyone else notice that Chas Newkey-Brown’s head looks like an Osram lightbulb?
Reference books? WW Norton’s anthologies: lit crit and poetry. Then there’s Oxford Reference Online – (handy but a bit pricey if your an individual subscriber) have a look at:
http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/GLOBAL.html?authstatuscode=202
June 20, 2008 at 5:36 am
you’re *smack*
June 20, 2008 at 6:10 am
oh, and ropeofsand, there’s also a series of timelines on different topics, so for e.g. lit here:
http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/TIMELINES.html?subview=timeline&topic=th4
and politics and government here:
http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/TIMELINES.html?subview=timeline&topic=th6
there non-subscriber ‘peek-previews’ so only capture the 20th C.
There plenty of other timeline topics:
http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/TIMELINES.html
cheers
June 20, 2008 at 6:11 am
they’re – fucking hell *SMACK*
June 20, 2008 at 6:57 am
Des Mhuman / skylark / cuchullain:
Not content with being the number one criminal on the Guardian blogs, subject to tagging, obloquy and public humiliation, you now foment public disorder and threaten the peaceable civility of Milton K., with drunkenness and disorder and the unleashing of havoc. You have the makings of a Major Public Martyr. May the God whom we love have mercy on your great black soul.
June 20, 2008 at 9:36 am
‘up pops “Chas” again with a pathetic attempt at a trollblog….’
What’s pathetic about that when the only measure of success in the books part of the Gagsblag (nice one, ldg) is post-counts, now that ‘Editors’ Choices’ has been given the chop? . . . 133 for Chazzie, when I last looked, and still whizzing skyward.
That place really is becoming more and more like a microcosm of spreadsheet-led publishing.
If a piece doesn’t get enough posts, fast, to appear in the ooey gooey pink box, it’s forgotten by the next day. Just like books that, I’m told, have to take off in the first few weeks after their pub dates — or die.
Anything in the lower two-thirds of the redesigned contents page doesn’t even get as much attention as the old Previous Posts in which some of us used to gambol and play hide-and-seek. . . Just like the difference between publishing’s past, in which publishers would live off backlists and wait patiently for new authors to develop a readership, issuing title after title with low sales figures — and the present, when, if a first book doesn’t skeeeerocket, it’s curtains for the scribe’s career.
. . . No one seems to have suggested on CNB’s thread that he MUST be a front man for the Publishers’ Association (or whatever the publishing mafia call themselves these days). Who else would care so much to make second-hand books uncool?
freepoland there wouldn’t have been a peep from me if you hadn’t made me goggle at the screen in genuine amazement. . . A relief to know that your subject is alive and well and yes, how we do all worry about him. . . Yes you, Des, you.
June 20, 2008 at 9:42 am
Warning Speculative Discourse, contains rehearsed plays of harry slotting and the lovely dead princess, boo hoo, Di
…
Yah, i mean c’mon guys yah, i mean, who’s the pleb yah?
And so the play’s complete, 16 months hard effort of daily rant, all day, lead by instinct alone.
I wondered what the final denouement would be, and it came this week.
I read there now and feel, yah, i was right, it’s gone downhill, it’s just full of new effers with but one liners, and a whole new brigade.
In the 16 months or so since i have been mooin there, i must have had 10 books come out me, and all shit, bar the odd flight of whimsy, but still, unique, i didn’t rob nowt, i am just me, the real fitzgerald desmond masterson english of my grands, and then, legally speaking, as in the brehon law, prendagast, o’se, mac nichols and gallagher, are the names in my derbhine of eight greats, and Kevin Desmond, is nowt but these eight names.
Any one of them, legally mine to use as i see fit, and that the forces in the gulag reigned against me achieving my potential on their rag, it was confirmed by their behaviour this week, the way they took out my poem, a real one, out of Bill’s thread, just because ….?
one of the most learned poets there, i learned their interest in real Live poetry, is ruled by money and whicher witch or hard faced arse is playing boss in that vip[ers nest of faux pretend respect for the working classes, and they are artists in the way people who work in sportswear shops are athletes.
Well, i’ll show them, i’ll be batting for the real Trinity chaps, the ones from this part of the world, the ones like Oscar, George BS, WB and H, the real laureates who don’t need plastic supporters clunbs to show their world their worth, yah, yah..
The ones who don’t get plaudits but put in the most graft. i’m at it every waking hour for seven yrs, and who’d of thought, it came good according to the lore i didn’t even know, in ways so poetic, it’s just gotta B yah, as in Ledbury, i’ve booked the campsite, i know the open mics and the many faux knee bending toffs who’ll be sniffing for the real flesh and blood earl of desmond Fitzgerald poet, and by the time i leave there after six days i will either be locked up for general outrageous behaviour, or be fighting off the advances of that other arsehole, whatse their names..
yah yah, keep it up, Ledbury, them B’s are getting it then, when i start singin stephen B’s masterwork, inviting them out for a chorus for a game of smack that plastic, run on back to yr copy editing toss pot little fake trinity gang and tell them the Earl of Desmond’s lad came back, 700 years after the first poet earl Earla Gerald, the flesh and blood making my face price ER, king Liam, thicko, dumb boy, slotter, how many kills windsor boy hey yer tw.t,
do me royal, get bending to the King Coimhghin nancy boy H, yer mar was a slag, c’mon dickhead, get blanket bombing bummo..
did yah mammie take it good slotter?
yah,yah, pass me Earl Desmond’s head, said ER1, spiked up on the tower outside, her biggest foe my much loved rellie, the bitch, it’s personal ghosts and they aint got no one blue blooded as me, i’m a natural born royal poet, and them femods just can’t handle it,
June 20, 2008 at 9:52 am
I once tried to write a hagiography of Paris Hilton for hard cash but failed miserably due to my ignorance of modern culture.
“I first saw Paris Hilton in the summer of 2004. It was an aesthetic treat for me to contemplate the beautiful face with its clean pure lines, and it was so convenient, sitting as it did in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower, just 30 minutes away from the airport.”
ba dum bum, I was doing knob gags on Glagbags yesterday, (screaming in mirror) what have I become??
Steve, aren’t you being just a little grouchy? i hardly ever disagree with what you say, but cnb disregarding negative comments on the blog – have you seen some of them? Is he meant to post a mea culpa – “You’re right anonymous hate-filled commenter, I need to rethink my life”?
Reminds me of the ‘Hanging gate’ in Cheshire …
http://www.diningpubs.co.uk/area.asp?aid=4
This gate hangs here and troubles None. Refresh and Pay and Travel On
Perhaps Chas is the gate (you can imagine him swinging bound from the crosspost it if it helps) and you the drover heading up the salt lane ;->
June 20, 2008 at 9:54 am
p.s. to last post:
Now there’s a nice SueMoorcroft saying,
‘If you buy your books secondhand, no money goes to the writer.
Whenever you buy a new book or a CD, that beep of the electronic till as you pay signals a tiny fee to the writer or performer. Writers and performers need lots and lots of those lovely beeps to build those tiny fees into something they can live on.’
. . . the trouble is, almost no one can. The publishers get the big bites from the beeps.
So much for that argument.
June 20, 2008 at 9:55 am
Nice one, ldg. Like the best of all public notices:
‘Do Not Throw Stones At This Sign’
June 20, 2008 at 9:59 am
Ah well, one commenter there has that thread sussed:
“Any chance of a Guardian Books Blog about, you know, books. Stories. Writers. That kind of thing. I think you underestimate your readership with this kind of hokum.”
But, as wordnerd says, the likelihood is that the quantitative success of such threads will lead to many more such….
June 20, 2008 at 10:01 am
‘but cnb disregarding negative comments on the blog – have you seen some of them?’
Oh but ldg, I also thought he should have replied to the mention of his far right-wing anti-Guardianista rant . . . and apparent contempt for anyone pathetic enough not to able to afford new books. I’m with Mishari one hundred percent in his disgust with CNB’s attack on libraries — which is why I’m not giving him even one measly post. So there.
June 20, 2008 at 10:07 am
Sometimes it’s worth recording a measured view that someone is a wanker. But then I’m too polite.
June 20, 2008 at 10:10 am
I looked at that link wordnerd, wasn’t he having a go at guardinistas who pay lip service to left wing ideals while making sure their own nests are well-feathered with granite worktops and a nice new volvo outside and so on?
And it’s that stance, and the ironic assumption of integrity against it, and the ironising of that assumption that has helped to erode decency and the moral sense in society, and we’re back to the early twentieth century when people were so bored they welcomed a war, except we have the benefits of an all pervasive inane popular culture as well.
Fuck it, I might sneak off from work and go an drink neat gin in my garden.
June 20, 2008 at 10:16 am
ldg – yes, I’m being grouchy about this….and some of the comments there were pretty awful and best ignored by the blogger (I presume deletions abound by now, although I lack the will to check)….not replying to critical comments is a habit though for “Chas” – I never did get an explanation on his Burchill thread as to why, given his trumpeting of the equality of co-authorship, her name was printed four times larger than his on the cover (admittedly the accompanying “angler fish” comparison may not have endeared commenter to blogger, but it’s a pertinent question which undermined his point substantially.)
And the current blog’s thesis is just so *silly*, and contestable on so many grounds; which many commenters have shown, thankfully. Still, as you say, walk on by….
June 20, 2008 at 10:48 am
sure steve, I agree, a very valid point he should have responded to, it’s always annoying when you make a good point and no one picks it up. Chris Power must feel like that all the time – all those proust posts with 6 comments.
negative or positive, I think what annoys me is the ill-thought out comment (apart from any of mine of course), and there was a glut of ill-bred parvenus with (ttch) screen-names I don’t recognise on that blog slagging him off with no flair where I itch to say, ‘So you then. What’s so special about you?’
June 20, 2008 at 10:57 am
It’s the linearity of the newcomers that I find strange: each of the three blogs that have garnered new commenting blood (plagiarism; six degrees; & snotbooks) have been plugged on the G home page….yet these very welcome newcomers seem unable to move sideways to comment on other booky blogs….
….LOVED THE SHOUTY POST OVER THERE BTW….
June 20, 2008 at 11:07 am
Ahhhhhhhhh, I’d cheerfully read a whole blog ten feet long with just ldg and TerminalDecline talking . . . Just like the good old days. . .
:):) (how else to convey dancing, onscreen?)
ldg, unlike you I was lazy and didn’t follow the link to see . . . ‘wasn’t he having a go at guardinistas who pay lip service to left wing ideals while making sure their own nests are well-feathered with granite worktops and a nice new volvo outside and so on?’ . . . BUT if you had the wit to make that point, why couldn’t he? One quick cut-and-paste job and we wouldn’t be complaining about him being wimpy and evasive.
Anyway, as Des would say, you’re on fire — no deserting us for a while, please. . .
June 20, 2008 at 11:18 am
nice to back though it can be hard to think up things I haven’t already vented. I really need to read more.
June 20, 2008 at 11:32 am
new berk will not give a flying fig mate/s. I wager he will be snorting and tossing himself off with the number of shite comments to his self absorbed…what 26 yr old wisdom..
his head aint filled with the finer instruments which calibrate the higher proofs of our appreciation for literature, i am guessing.
He is a young kid writing what many would term shite, and getting sufficient lolly to do whatever he does in the place he bums about in.
He might be a great laugh in person, or a royal pain in the ass, i didn’t read his piece, same as i didn’t read carol’s guff she put above the two time murdering first poet laureate in the court of James 1.
Carol is worth reading but i wanted to respond totally uninfluenced by any one else, and being honest, i was miffed when they first clamped down in a concerted way of excluding me, but really, it’s for the best.
they did me a favour, forced me to accept that the world is never going to be fair according to one’s own narrow view of what constitutes whatever poster we are advertising when we step up to the lamp post and nail it up.
It was tough at first, being an addict there, but it just meant i had been launched out the comfort zone and had to put a bit of effort into writing elsewhere, and now, i can see that the one off appearance generates far greater interest than if one is there 24/7, as the words do the talking, and all that literate energy diffused into threads written by our intellectual inferiors, like Berk and the assistant ed, Armistead of the vaccuos liberalism, are a waste.
Becase they are not looking to make friends with the readers, no, they will look at you as punters, people on which they can build, the more the merrier, and with a corresponding increase in the plastic liberal tenor as their fan base swells.
They can talk about you in a way which makes them feel good about themselves, that they do care passionately, that they do have serious concerns about the health of Concrete Poetry, say..
….shirley proved that was all me arse, and after the tatts come out, common mate/s, seriously, they are the dickheads, not me, and mean us, but whatever it is, they are basically, thick types.
And not reading Chas, i just went straight to the insults, and out of all them, one or two pretend stern rebukes by the only normal people there, and the rest, just effers filled with hate, seeing the Berks mugshot, reading he’s got four books out and immediately elevating him into some fanatasy citadel of literary Success, where all the people with less talent but who are just luckier or shagging the right people, hang out laughing at us…
That’s the hardest thing, to get past the bullshit and confusing what’s important with what is of zero importance. Anf being straight mate/s, the individual mug, i mean very valued contributing eyes and hands, are right at the bottom of the must make friends with list these turkeys gobbling bollix have got drawn up play pals.
Sod the effers. just take the mick out them, and dop yer own stuff knowing you have just as valid a right to be doing so as any other living gob, whether they be a scumbag like me or the worlds most important King and Queen.
Careers are being made as we speak. Carol aint soft, she has a platform from which she can engineer herself into the prime spot in relation to the thousands of other middle aged female poets who will hate her guts for the success she has, as they may perceive it, but really, it doesn’t matter a fig where we appear, as the writing stands alone.
Butt there, well, when i was at the national student drama festival in the UK during yrs 2 and 3, 2003 and 2004, Chris Wilkinson, he won the 2004 young critic award for the festival rag.
The deal was anyone can write for it, and i had a great two yrs writing there, in an open plan office and by the end of the short time, nevertheless, you still had a sense of who was serious etc, about the writing.
Wilko’s a cam lad, and he won that yr, and he didn’t impress me much, and over the week, i saw how a large contingent where from cam and though there was no way it can be contextualised as a fix, there was that, who are you, we are the cambridge mob, or rather, not that at all, but they all stuck together and the yr before it was Ed Lake, the only one who i reckon has it. But both have jobs,. chris talking shit with Andrew Hayden on the theatre blog.
Hayden was the ed of noises off and naturally, he gets slotted in, but still that smug self satisfied sheen i detected there, it runs deep and these are vicious little effers who will stiff you and gang up in their plastic trinity mobs, and take the piss out of you, amongst themselves and exclude you.
Well maybe not, but it all seemd so nailed on. There was an old student network that ran deep at the national student drama fest and i see the fruits of that now, in the cheps who get on, as in, erm, what are you doing here? yah, oh, right your one of us, of course, come in.
One of the few who deserves his perch is Mills, as his comes after thirty yrs of slog and not much recognition, and that’s the way i see it, for life, and it is where we end up that counts and if i have another 20 in the tank (god willing) i know i aint gonna be arguing with people like bummie and holland over what exactly Live poetry is..
It’s the same all over the world, so stay a loner and send me what you can, for my trip to Ledbury to sort out who’s got what with this gang of plassies..
love and peace
June 20, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I believe it was specifically guardianistas who live in Stoke Newington and drink cafe latte he was having a go at. Personally I prefer mocha so I didn’t feel included. (I do work with a woman though who does live in Stoke Newington, drinks lattes and does indeed go to Palestine every year to be shot at by Israeli soldiers).
I agree with someone (fmk) that the Booksblog would pretty much publish anything these days – though I do wonder where all those Tony O’Neills went: were they told gently not to submit anything further, or did they get tired of this themselves. Are there no drug-taking writers left to write about?
June 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm
@ldg, the trouble with Nuclear-Boredom’s anti-grauniadist diatribe was its fundamental dishonesty. Instead of saying, ‘look, all Ayrabs are terrorist scum, Israel is fab and if they kill wogs, who gives a shit?”, which is, in essence what the little creep says all the time on CiF.
Well, fair enough. But he tried to make it seem as though anyone who tried to make a case for the Palestinians was a latte-sipping, hypocritical dupe, while he, of course, was properly enlightened.
As an Arab, I find this mendacious little toady deeply offensive. His sneering at libraries, with the unspoken assumption that libraries are for losers and failures only compounds the offence.
In the highly unlikely event that I should ever encounter the rebarbative cnb, ( I move in rather more elevated social circles, for better or worse), I shall certainly hit him. Yeah, yeah…I know, I know. What can I say? I’m a man of wrath and some people truly understand nothing else. cnb’s stance on Israel-Palestine clearly shows that he believes the same thing. Let’s see how he likes it when his beliefs are put into practice, the rat-faced little prick…
June 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm
But mishari, tell us what you really think.
I agree with WN7; don’t post on his blogs. He’s on my little list of bloggers to ignore. Right up at the top, actually.
June 20, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Meanwhile, I’m waiting for the Telegraph blog to continue their series on Powell’s Dance sequence….the first book was discussed on June 2nd; the second, we’re promised, will be blogged on on June 30th….I started around the same time they did (coincidentally), and am now nearly at the end of book 7 (Valley of Bones, covering the start of WWII) which is to me the most disappointing so far….by June 30th I shan’t remember book 2….I like that they are blogging the series, but surely to reckon on four weeks for reading a short novel is generous to a fault….? (Or perhaps I’m cheating in not moving my lips as I read….) I do recognise btw that this is all supremely unimportant in the great scheme of things….and not even worth commenting on….oh well….
June 20, 2008 at 4:48 pm
parallax
Thanks a lot for your URLs, for time lines! Parallax might translate as “paralaje” in Spanish, just read the word.
I feel proud of myself> today i have started, at last, finally, to read the Cantos by Mr. Pound. (One page, first page).
June 20, 2008 at 4:57 pm
mishari,
So you are an Arab? Can you read, write, speak Arabic as well? Wonderful.
Just read, and thought it was so funny, a notice emailed by a Bank, entitled “The power of words”. Apparently, Chinese stock exchange rose in a matter of hours when it was stated that “Chinese economic horizon looks bright”.
And if anyone had any further doubts about the nature of the credit “crunch” (not Chinese, but ours): don’t feel their angst, babes, it’s all about a slowing down of big, huge corporate PROFITS.
Noticias Financieras
El poder de las palabras
18/06/2008
José Luis Martínez Campuzano
Estratega de Citi en España
(…)
¿Son tan buenos los fundamentos de la economía? Los últimos datos económicos apuntan a una moderación del crecimiento, cuando la combinación de precios del crudo al alza y menor crecimiento están lastrando a la baja la perspectiva de aumento de los beneficios empresariales.
Why do i lumber all this on poor mishari? ‘Coz it’s common word that he is wealthy (in comparison with average doggerelists).
June 20, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Hi again fellows,
First reading of Canto I.
I knew it would be dangerous…
June 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm
O my God, o my god, poetry and the battle fields, i wish i wasn’t here, there nor anywhere. O my grace, and i had started to like her poems,
Better listen to Amy Winehouse’s “If my man was fighting/ an unholy war/”
June 20, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I don’t think war is an appropriate topic for my silly doggerel so, with apologies to Billy, I’ll sit this week’s blog out. I’m sure there will be plenty of serious contributions.
June 20, 2008 at 6:57 pm
War poems, Billy? Hoorah! An outlet for my unseemly aggression…I must away now to compose the deathless ode, The Shooting of Chas Nuetron-Bomb…
rope(book?)ofsand. Of course I speak,read and write Arabic. You must be the only regular on the book blogs who doesn’t know I’m an Arab. Been sleeping on duty?
June 20, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I thought you were Welsh.
June 21, 2008 at 12:23 am
Steve,
I did not do the puzzle poem; I’m no good at them, they require a brain! Didn’t do any good with the last one either.
I think I am different to most of your contributors, who come to the Books Blogs to learn. For me poetry is not words; it is what words mean, what they evoke. It is travelling with the poet, being with them in spirit; I believe this occurs with all good writing. I’m not fussed, in fact not interested at all, in landscape poetry as purely scenic; I can get that out of a photo.
Art as in painting or music does it in a less verbalised fashion; I use the arts as I do comedy i.e. as entertainment, as a stress release, to release gravity, ‘to soar’, then, it allows entry into meditation; it is extremely therapeutic. (This week I found a poem I had written around 1994 titled “Have You Heard the Quiet.” In our busy world most people never do.)
Yesterday I bought “The Times Quotations” from Homer to Homer Simpson at a sidewalk sale. To-day’s life looks to be becoming more of a cage and I find this quote quite expressive:
‘Press any key….no,no,no, NOT THAT ONE.’
Isa put on cif last year a letter from his uncle, I can’t give the easy link but he has it in his blog, dated 17.8.07, titled ‘Mike Hall is Raving.’
It expressed very well the way I feel about the modern world.
June 21, 2008 at 12:26 am
I predict that next week will be very sluggish, and around the start to middle of next week (even possibly the weekend) or the week after; worsts worst…hmm, yah, a month of slow inactivity, the top thicko editor, yah, dolphin shaggers to a s/he of C who is the placement oppo, lost and floundering, loadsa comman fecked out trite shtick boring the bejayzus snivlllers fawning in the wind of the queen vweable clarz dans le toilets, flushed ficks dun of absence, as in one’s intellectual inferrior/s, they who slip from poetic sight upon the terminus of what natural boundary, is the one we spank acrosss, hill of ben will and jonny, larry lube our lush comman tattered oppos on the Imramm ship of s/he who is just as the memories of salt and potash upon a cabinet shelf; muster of terps, quirk of terminus and now qua kreaven dans le bohola boom lost last millennium light on the final day and night when the real millennium began.
s/he knew where we are in that night and day; sails afore beyond the boundary wall; spanked utterley and total; humiliation, thrashed right out and a legendary tot, totally flawless display of brain and heart; sandwiches, a pavillion…
…gaze across the in full attentive state; aware of what emanates from and around you, gloving up, a last slug of cider and hurl into strapping up, fecked out, yew and willow thrashing the foreign official strap: padded up s/he arise and ship fourths a single sailor in a cream ribbed sweater, alert to the mummie/s hip swing through sw L, lies and lines and yah yah, go across to the boss head doctor of a crumbling psychiatric hospital where i patiently waded through 1999 for professor H to dish up pills and dole out injections
depending on
depending on
ig their is a cow in a field
and machine out of order
Niamh is on ward and in role
play as a not yet dead nut
nut babbling freely at the table
“…the machine is out of order…
Within the four walls of this
crypt, i conjur the tall author
of stae and soldier of memory
who lives on:
“…does niamh now flit with
the big man’s shade?
…deconstruct school children
from shadows in caves
and tower over oath bound men
who find a simple mountain grace
written
at life’s end?
when Yeats ruled a world of
words imagination shook fairly
from her tongue pouring forth to
make prayer and fable a nation’s
tome/s
…surely yr aware of this reality, i exhort you to yr deepest most relevant source of sense, as a fellow sapient person who wishes only for cuddles and hugs wiv C A Y may flunk but yah yah yah car cars, C A Y7 yam nufkl, feck off out of it yiz a stentorian actoary boring git mate/s
…yiz is fooling only yerself and a few lost souls looking into Gazza lit, bio, five bellies, the drink and stints at the bin (onging), a million reasons to support the rams, the reds, the yellowing tan of cheap men in drag on holiday getting roped up on stage by the main man who will co star in a porn shoot for the Drunk Shag shelf of the gonzo porn section at Pimp Concrete…
…s/he at pimp concrete offer all yr concrete solution needs…need that encased dispatch of a thousand rag and bone number doll/s winning the hottest odds on cheps get sent straight back whupped and spun out of it with clipped fours and sixes, not once mentioning a foreign native game of blue cutsie blood of RH performance recordings, lagged laied lofty elephant wings, dearest, dearest Concrete fwendsy mendsie, bendsie benjy let me suck yr knob, puhleeze, i wun it fours on fave, iy is mine to claim Davie C, kwee vee N oh go homer and git, eff off, thick it is the lore of flick and go away, yah nah, reality s/he who knew, knows and now flowing upon the tide to the next stern frayed store of a well in which letters Live are on fire, controlled, to wit, eff out the tanners at them and ask, the tan of uncle well crom, heard air in the dna of me speak of the slaughter and ragged corpses staggering out of the wood, dead of starvation, there is a visceral and indelible psychic and substantive spiritual component to the act of wring oracular poetry..
…the truth is, who knows what s/he is doing? yah, zilch oh doh noo said Cermen Lours, dickhead, out yr an idiot i hate and from now on, i am going to direct my telepathic energies directly into the frontal lobes of all humanity within the next two decades, and of not, to have gone on a date with michael barrymore, to ask what happened that night, who was he, yah, sticking it up for mick B, yo, yah mikey mate/s yer tw.ttin slap of reality cut coarse, yet precise, classically the shh..ER appears invisibly to the shoppers at Jerv yah, rue the dooz yah and git wiv progs, yr knobs and masterplans of galactic admin as marital stately slaughters of the goats and lambs, chickaboos, mufti undercover, a lone s/he who lived
June 21, 2008 at 12:34 am
Don’t worry Iant – no-one else reads the actual blogs here either; they’re only there to serve as breaks in the gossip’n'grouch of the comments….which doesn’t bother me….
June 21, 2008 at 12:36 am
MM, you were misled by my habit of displaying a leek in my button-hole and singing Men of Harlech at all hours of the day and night. I was just going through a Dylan Thomas phase…
June 21, 2008 at 2:09 am
“For me poetry is not words; it is what words mean, what they evoke. It is travelling with the poet, being with them in spirit; I believe this occurs with all good writing”
For me also. That’s why i said reading the Cantos was dangerous. Like being swept by an oceanic wave. Even if the different language does place a sort of distance. Even if i have only done a first reading of Canto I.
June 21, 2008 at 2:15 am
mishari,
Sleeping on duty, yes, many times
Well now that i know you’re an Arab, be prepared! I might have questions specifically for you, if you would be so kind as to answer, language related.
I wish you all a good and very joyful Midsommer Saturday.
June 21, 2008 at 2:19 am
ropeofsand,
I would be very surprised if you are bookofsand; almost a total remake. Will look at the Cantos though, think I balked at it years ago.
June 21, 2008 at 9:08 am
[disappeared as if by magic]
June 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm
[somewhat shorter than the original]
June 21, 2008 at 2:19 pm
…dear God.
June 21, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Hi S.
i know C (me) has issue/s in S controlling the scope of lettered evidential smells, textual spankings of it out into yr IT stately lamp post (of an ever improving plastic trinity chep taking the mick owt our very central core of C Y N i calling ohm moi, coursely incorrect but still, one click and: Vanish, phwoared owt into the void and s/he yr mistress cut out: shatters D of the thrashing yew with gloves, pads strapped up well afore the fray in quad: Trinity chap/s he of sidhe who is in it up to their shifty gignormous aircraft and armies and big asks, yr a Fan and so our we mister st eve Noh s/he makes us prance for profit, to appear as/is with shiela e, Stearn/s in reversed gender, Eliot i wld call shiela e murphy, an absolute legend who i support buy purchasing her online at As/Is, a portal which represents the keenest edge of avant practice on the planet.
several yrs ago now, S and i began a silent relationship, i swear to the gods of sea and sky (may they fall in if i rhyme and line incorrect, this Imramm mummy) it of the like/s never afore known, only total radz and mad ppl imHo ohm er gawd: Great Bond/age/s chains: inking editor/s tinkering with the Dna of Noh, the wholly practice of a Live craft, passed down from actor to one of their children. Perhaps an only child, this is common currency, the cinderella story that happens, like the Lion king rescued sir Elton oi O U2 R communist agressors, s/he their slave and we too, you yah U2 and make bono son of punk and rock and roll, making new, what is known, for you too fawns, important every single you in the me too machine, always we feed the world and make paxo, wafting over the pavillion there, here, Trinity, we three.
June 21, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I did say I was growing intolerant of the long posts, Des….might I gently suggest your own blog as a more suitable place for your longer pieces of verse? You can always post a link to them here (and your site’s link still has its place on the blogroll.)
June 21, 2008 at 9:40 pm
ok, very very sorry mister S, seriously, just snip it, plaease…
[your wish is my command - cs]
June 21, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I cannot tell a lie: I’ve been busy with the axe….annotations above in square brackets are mine….
June 21, 2008 at 10:58 pm
….and now I’m bored: nothing’s happening on GU, Cif is currently disembuggered, Mishari got rid of his blog, already checked out obooki & boltonian, the Telegraph’s blogs are maintenancising, it’s still too early for the sports blogs to be interesting & I don’t feel in the mood for the serious poetry blogs – where’s a blog addict to go next?
June 21, 2008 at 10:59 pm
….other than to talk to himself on his own blog….?
June 21, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Want some company Steve?
Do you think finally a precis, may be acceptable?
Possibly I may have been learning a little re the American branch of the family; not sure though.
This one for Isa: Major Callendar (To Ronny on Mrs. Moore) – she’s old – we mustn’t forget that. Old people never take things as one expects. (Shortly I’ll have a complex! At any rate, takes care of the ego.) Oh Isa, I thought I’d get the mother role! Mind you I think I’m a little young for that, not much though.
How do you feel about it Carol?
June 21, 2008 at 11:29 pm
“Possibly I may have been learning a little re the American branch of the family; not sure though.”
The American branch – that would be the “Iamnothereeither”s presumably….
We had fun tracking back Michele’s family to a tiny village in Slovakia….all the relevant church records were hand-written, either in the Latin language or in Cyrillic….quite a challenge….
June 21, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Actually I was speaking in my other dimension of ‘I am no there’, it would be ’she’ who is:
‘I am no here’ i.e. when she is not here? (Please note the later, is the possible American connection.)
Now that is the Irish in me, I think, talking!
Interesting re the Latin; really could have been the universal language; wondered why they’d tried with Esperanto. Latin was a language that I was interested in, it didn’t change, fixed. Well and truly forgotten though, just occasionally ‘recall’ highlights the Latin roots in words, helps with certain languages. However I still think the best language is the smile!
June 21, 2008 at 11:49 pm
So where are the American cousins/ancestors? Who emigrated where?
June 21, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Don’t talk to me about cyrillic. Bloody Russians. That’s another tenner lost to Mr Ladbroke.
June 22, 2008 at 12:00 am
It’s no coincidence the Dutch play badly, like England, the day after one of their clubs appoints McClaren as coach….the portents were there….
June 22, 2008 at 12:09 am
Well some first cousins are also American, and there is an even closer American connection; but it was the ancestor one I was referring to, from my grandfather, but as I had a mother who had the same Irish name before she married…(I have one redeeming (and not sure about that!) English great grandfather. Have no idea where the ancestor ones are in America.
Steve, it’s midnight there, what does it feel like talking to a ghost? See Melton is smarter!
btw I know it is hard to fathom, but I can be
‘I am not here’ and ‘I am no there’ at exactly the same time here. I park my mind!
June 22, 2008 at 12:27 am
“…it’s midnight there, what does it feel like talking to a ghost?”
….spooky….
I have trouble sleeping & thus my dormant hours are somewhat irregular….
June 22, 2008 at 12:35 am
It’s alright, I’m like Casper. But I am here has to now return to her body and away to look in on a battled weary soul.
June 22, 2008 at 12:42 am
Too hot where I am to think clearly, dgg, or I’d post. Doubled up laughing at the annotations. Dear old Des. . . thank you both for keeping me
through this foul heat wave.
June 22, 2008 at 1:25 am
Sorry Steve,
That was I am here pretending to be me; she knows she can’t say she is an angel, so she used the word ‘ghost’. Yes Wordy I will caution her!
Now she wants me to drive with her in the car.
June 22, 2008 at 9:33 am
Thank yer nerdy stars for the foul
sapped rays in cali, Ohm oregon
aint ever said none can deny, s/he
*..is an angel..used the word gho
st. wordy yo zee s/he caution Y
eces cliff of two wooden bhard B
Love: fukc her out a door, go (W)
on now go, walk out the door
because i
*Kept thinking I could never live
without you by my side
But I spent so many nights
thinking how you did me wrong
I grew strong
I learned how to carry on
~
[...]
[extract from the Condensed Des....]
June 22, 2008 at 9:57 am
Des,
Did you not hear doggerelist?
Alright a task – write 50 words, not a single word more, on poets and Cork. If you go one word over, or wander from the subject, I will not read.
And likely others as well.
btw I suspect your 189 will be wiped.
June 22, 2008 at 11:19 am
‘i’m not that chained up little person still in love with you any more Wordy,’
O Des, Des, Des . . . how AM I to go on? I’d be rending my hair, my garments, my very soul . . .flinging this laptop at the wall and turning into a forlorn howling shadow of that fiendish Google crawler you, and you alone, knew me to be in the throes of your infatuation.
But did I hear you say LITTLE you, dear Dessie? Surely giant Des, since our posts’r'us — no? . . .
Do be a goodie, o matchless bard of Dublin. Our dgg is such a tender-hearted, reluctant whip-cracker. Not feeling so great, either, to put it mildly — even if he never complains. So . . . maybe try out Iant’s idea, . . . please? . . . My posts also tend to be too long, so I’ll try to stick to 50 words too.
And *thank you* for the additional emergency heat relief; cool outside, now, but the house is staying stubbornly hot because a large mouse streaked past me at about this time yesterday — desperately in search of cooler air, the poor beast was — and because I want no more twitchy, bald-tailed visitors, I’ve got too many doors closed. . . Which reminds me, dgg, what WAS that in your and Michele’s wall?
Angelic One:
’she knows she can’t say she is an angel, so she used the word ‘ghost’. Yes Wordy I will caution her!
Now she wants me to drive with her in the car.’
I am shocked . . . SHOCKED. . . Pretentious and bossy, too, then. Not a bit like Mrs Moore, eh?
Isn’t it time you put your dainty foot down and said, No More? You can count on me for support, Angel, whether or not you’ve got your halo on straight.
June 22, 2008 at 11:22 am
Dear oh dear, what’s the point of throwing a fit if I can’t type.
Des, that should have been ‘I’ll be’ . . . not ‘T’d be.’
phew
June 22, 2008 at 11:52 am
With steve’s right of veto..
I will expand; if Des,
You can achieve a 50 word minimum, and a question be asked, you could have another 50 word…
so maybe just the names of the poets associated with Cork? That is in the poetic lore of Cork; not present day.
…..
Jings Wordy, I really can’t remember ‘Passage to India’! I think Parisa is taking Isa to task on the Book’s Blog; remember Parisa has been away and doesn’t realise where your ogre resides; mind you I don’t know her of whom you speak..
June 22, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I am not H: ear of Reason[...]
[abridged]
June 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Des,
I read the first 50 words. I hope the answer to my question was not hidden in the remaining ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. I would be most upset as I didn’t read!!
June 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm
“Cultural critic” Rod Liddle doesn’t like Anthony Powell. (Plus other people don’t like other stuff). Read about it here, if you’re bored:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article4170944.ece
June 22, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Cork times fifty score
swans boring at canal
Ohm illusion, a doll
Fonzie eye, U in fuck
Raging facists Hit ar
t-dd, tuatha de Doing
King nor queen favour
An Mhuman — munster -
an vwoom michael: coll
in undermesh covering S
O Cille Knight/s pyre
Not here am i spanked.
~
fifty words i think you will count [...]
[50 words, give or take....cs alias doggerelist]
June 22, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Now forgive me if I’m wrong Des, but I take it that you believe Cork only produces pretend poets? and Des
if doggerelist has to condense your comments, is that fair? Also do you realise that you lose readership, check out your good stuff, surely you can recognise.
ps I don’t do the spanking, I leave that to others; I just give pseudo orders, or appear to..
June 23, 2008 at 12:24 am
Now forgive me if I’m wrong Des, but I take it that you believe Cork only produces pretend poets?
What R U on about iamnothere, most special of all anonymous colleagues, please, Cork has produced some of the finest poets ever to have gone dans le toilet et breathed for An Mhuman thought; to have gifted us there fabtastic gifts of the s/he in you and Me i, iamnothere, the Mind: to wit — Ohmmmm
Let me tell yr very very special self, iamnothere, that i have just recently purchased — what os on effect a single poem in a hard bound object, beautifully packaged from Petr Fallon’s Gallery Press, spread over 39 short pages — a re-rendering into english from the hallowed undermesh mother tongue of my own language, The Lanent for Art O’Leary by his wife Eibhlín Dubh Ní Chonaill.
nineteen quid for this translation, i paid last week at the launch of four or five poets books by mister Fallon in Waterstones on Dawson Street, on 12 June when Peter Sean Lysaght, various others and Derek Mahon appeared there reading — for five mins each.
Bear in mind i got Deggsie’s collected for the same price that evening.
The Lament for Art O’Leary has also been translated by mister O’Connor, Frank, whose real name was Donovan, but who used his mother’s maiden name for publishing, same as i with Swords.
O’leary was born in 1746 in Macroom, Munster, An Mhuman, Cork and died from a single gunshot wound on May 4th.1773, executed
*riding over a small green inch in the townland of Carrigonirtane when a single shot rang out, killing Art instantly. He was thrown to the ground and his horse ran off, returning eventually to Art’s house in Rathleigh near Macroom.*
The horse had been the cause of his death. Art was a reletively well of catholic in the penal times which lasted the century (18C) or so after the first terrorist takeover of Munster by Cromwell the genocidal devil to the Irish people, hero for many english mugs who think this insane effer had any good to offer people when he was alive.
O’Leary was a brash young officier in the Hungarian army, whose father had bought him a commisiion, but was very brash and handsome, a native of an island at that time, when 90% of the pop were subject to stringent Penal (punishment) laws which the generation after the puritan scum came with the express purpose of crushing Brehon ciivilisation in the immediate post Cromwellian century which saw Ireland go from the oldest civilisation in Europe still based on the ancient Homeric code, to one which was just getting ready to have 25% of her people starve, just at the time the penal laws where rpeealed, after the planet rallied behind what was the Abu Grab nec-con religious zealot scum, who punished a people/s for being themselves in their own home. Empire, brits, wankers..
Part of the deal was no narive scum caffer lick cud own a horse over ten quid and Art had one, and the sheriff in Macroom, where my grandfathers people, the last remnants of the Earls of Desmond, live on, had a beef with the good looking local lad and some argie bargy happened and Morris pulled his sword out, when Art was not showing him enough repsect, as a scum in his home town doing the work of the Devil brits, outlawed in his own home town by a foreign cunt, a twat.
The caffer licks though officially designated scumbags by the ficks who thought they could rent the ancients, some were still not living in mud dwellings, the remnants of the old gaelic aristocracy, and Art was one of these.
Abe didn’t like Art thought he was cocky, coz all the women fancied him, and so he demanded Art sell him his horse (worth considerably more than a tenner, even then) and Art told him to fuck off. Morris, incensed at the local lads insolence, of not sucking him off or being scared of the foreign cunt who was doing ..waht exactly in hia Macroom? got hios blade out and Art grabbed hold of it.
That was it, technically Art had done a bad do, stopping the sheriff, well that’s outlaw, head price strung up, but art didn’t give a fuck and got murdered for it, and this poem i bought for twnety quid, the lines in it are great, cheers Vona…
June 23, 2008 at 12:39 am
Well Des, You did answer what I wanted to know in the first paragraph. You see apart from a tiny proportion of my ancestors, from what I can gather, they all originated in or around Cork.
Now I don’t have your knowledge, but I suspect that the Irish lineage of poets come from the old Celts who I don’t think historically came from Ireland. But my history is bad.
Short answer Des, as they keep bamboo there and now Melton also has some!!
June 23, 2008 at 2:27 am
Iamnothere, puleez, yr telling me about YOU as in this very interesting clever cool arty blah blah blah of YOU, who is Iamnothere.
Puhleez forgive me if i appear less than bending and wanting immediate intellectual intercourse maye/s iamnot, Here, just tell me who you are, as until you do, pretend on di..incredibly intelligent poet, who are you please?
my name is Kevin Desmond, Caoimhghin Deasmhuman, *beautiful birth* which caoimhghin translates as and South Munster Deas – south Mhuman, munster, kevind desmond, beautiful birth south munster — Cork, that’s me.
You also are Cork but are yet to reveal yr amazing self in the scummie non artist world of shoppers, like me and s/he, you iamnothere, just tell me yr fucking name please, i am trying to be human here, don;t treat me like i am of an inferior intelligence please, thank you very much..
And Cork, Desmond, Desmhuman, south munster, where i get my surname from, this nomen is only a quarter of the Irish force in me (though the heaviest card in the pack of recent irish hoistory) as Desmond is my fathers father, and only a quarter of the grandparents, the other three are Mayo, two from V=Boholla, one from Achill island, what about you please fellow An Mhuman bhard?
take no notice of my fucking and that, tis only remote, i am not really an outlaw, more pout and preen sat on my arse pretending, so pug=hleez, unless you tell me who you are, i will presume you want to shag me but are too unintelligent to see i am not here looking for sex, cheers?
June 23, 2008 at 3:50 am
wordnerd: “Which reminds me, dgg, what WAS that in your and Michele’s wall?”
Probably a bird scratching around….they have form here getting inside the house, as I’ve mentioned before….it definitely wasn’t (just) me going nuts as Michele heard it too, and her hearing isn’t the best….rats tend to be quieter – which simultaneously is and isn’t reassuring – and one can apparently unknowingly coexist with them for quite a while, as John Bayley described in his memoir of his late wife, Iris….indeed that touching book is comforting reading to those of us for whom housework is no longer a sacred rite
Hope you manage to deter your mouse – one way or another….
June 23, 2008 at 4:08 am
Des,
My identity is mine; my interest was in finding the basis of my heritage and as you may have seen I have an inclination to a certain form of poetry.
Your last paragraph as I think you know, I find offensive; you did it, I believe for a reaction and with me that can have the opposite desire to what you wished, i.e. not only would you not get the information but I would cease to talk to you. This once I make some allowance and I will continue as below:
I have no recognisable name and have never sought to have one. My present name is not related to Ireland. However the Irish name, the maiden name of my mother and the name of my father are the same and were and likely still is, a very recognisable Irish one, particularly around Cork.
We are online, and in many ways I have given almost too much information on the internet. You are not aware of many things discussed on cif, some were personal, and although not harmful to me, I prefer not to be known. For that reason I do not wish to divulge an identity.
You mentioned a particular surname in one of your earlier wiped posts, which had me wondering whether an American descendant of a sibling of my grandfather was the poet. I will not engage in a guessing game re this one, again because of identity.
Des, you are interested in poetry, but I don’t believe in the gods of poetry, I do believe their is a language given originally to one and likely it has been passed down through the generations.
I will now let Maturity, who has been itching to talk online and in fact is now very insistant use my computer..
yes she does have shades of Mrs. Moore, and she is also likely to have school marmish directives for you, in a very forthright, no nonsense manner
ps. I think you mentioned Donovan, I seem to have seen that in some inter-related connection, more in an in-law context though, than a blood relative.
June 23, 2008 at 4:26 am
Des, use your very obvious talents as they should be, condense and cut out the nonsense; stop swearing. Pay attention to the blog owner, he runs the site, he sets the rules.
……
Re: The Long Weeds and the Long Grass; Steve
I’m going to deviate in a way that I don’t believe you consciously intended.
It appears to be an analogy to ‘the wheat and the chaff’ and the then instruction – ‘Let them grow together until the harvest’. Well, we could be left with the grass, fine, but hey what’s that flower seen popping its head up; a Bloom!
Now what would that mean, an added dimension? One doesn’t harvest cut grass but…..
Now go to bed Steve, you need your rest,
Grandma
ps do you think you need to edit Iamnothere’s posts; she will have to accept it. In fact I know that she wouldn’t mind if you cut the past two long ones altogether.
June 23, 2008 at 4:54 am
Well doggerelist,
I’ve posted twice already, you obviously vetoed; so I get the message.
June 23, 2008 at 6:16 am
Oh iamnothere, just tell me who yer bleedin R and stop arsing about.
“I am sorry mister not Here, but i cannot tell you my name, as i wld have to kill myself and blow up the planet if you ever discovered who i am, not here, but there, in the realm of *Maturity,”
i aint, is being an adult? i take it that is what you mean?
being an adult, in We the ppls society is not buying into the con that being yrself online is somehow a lot more dangerous than in real life.
Puhleez, get real dear, unless yr a theta level invasion Grey of planet ga ga, i cannot really understand all this bollix about
“no, no, my central soul sat down supping tea and talking anonymously into a screen, is not really me not Here in reality, ie, this effin screen iamnot, but a real person mister or miss, missus Sir King, who ever you are, you know who i am, Here.
you know i am a man, a poet, 43, not unattractive, open about who i am, and you iamnot, i k=do not even know if you are man or woman, nor care, so y=YOU, as you in reality acting all top secret with the fear and rubbish that has been drummed into by a lifetime’s TV and mister scary warmonger saying, hey, uer can’t disgree with us the billionaire money Haliburton neo cons..
look, if you ever want to get passed first base, with anyone in the real world, we show ourselves and speak. So, your reasoning has it that there is more danger to your person physically (i take it) from talking to a sad fat geriatric man with low self esteem and weirdo issues, in Kalamazoo Gantanamo bay, than nipping to the mall and getting murderd by the CIA in a shoot out with goodfellas?
that speaking online is somehow dangerous, more so than a face to face with the millions who live around us? you need help with yr Concrete beleifs of what constitutes danger dearest iamnothere, do you hide yr face, go invisible outdoors and call yrself iamnothere to anyone bu Us, we the people?
I am not taking the piss, but things are a foot, carol will be here today and i may go in and trash her, may not, either way, unless you tell me who you are, i can only assume you are not in my life as a real person like Wordy, steve, mish, and that’s it i think, the only people whose real id i know, and after 18 months learning here pal, doing the right thing, respecting made up Mature names like yrs, I am not here to pretend at being Mature, but am mature, and if you want sex, just ask, just say you fancy me and we can get it on for 500 an hour, for intellectual sex, of me teaching you the highest levels of the Noh theatrical tradtion.
If however you are a lonely woman who is a fan and just wants groupie sex, shallow one noighters, i cannot do it i am afraid, unless you purchase the party pack available from clare and sars..only mooin, but seriously what is yr name please\?
and don’t try and make out theire is some sacrosant i am not here bollix, as we are all human, and i know who i am, not a mad stalker, but one who talks to people with names like iamnothere, so just stop effing about, puhleez..
hugs
June 23, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hi Martha, my name is mister Desmond Swords, which is my paternal surname of Deasmhuman which means south munster and my maternal surname Swords, Claimhin, from which the word Claymore comes.
My fore name is Calmhghin, kevin, kevin desmond is my name outside of publishing martha.
I have been writing for 7 yrs, three at university studying under the worlds premier Concrete poet, biob, robert sheppard, in a place called Ormskirk in Lancashire, england.
I hold a writing and drama degree (2:1) and got that four yrs ago. Immediately after i came to the island, as by this point i had become addicted to what turned into my research area, Ogam.
Ogan is the earliest alphabet used in britain, 1000 yrs before shakespeare, but most of it has been forgotten, except on the island, where the society remained non Imperial up till Oliver Cromell came doing the devil’s work. C of course, famously beleived God spoke to him, thus absolving himself morally from the holocaust he helped create. And worse, actually conned himself he was doing the right thing. Like Bush maybe did before the 100,000 civillian deaths we never hear about in the west, much; in comparison to the very few flag draped brave coffins that come back and get respectfully lowered into the earth. The men who volunteered to go there in order to help kill the locals, after being professionally trained to do so and knowing they may die.
~
over the last yr, the final stage of my training has occured. At times i wondered if i was continuing my studies, or just a sad unemployed git who had opted into life long static action at a screen, conning myself that the poetry level i was after, was all in my head and that i would be locked into pointless conversations with ppl who had no clear agenda for being online professionally.
This happened after joing GU, the gulag — last March (2007) and my workrate went through the roof, as in writing, hoping that it wold do me some good, all this interacting with people with strange names.
I realise now the names where there for the final intellectual challenge. To keep one’s sense of reality when dealing with ppl who think being anonymous online is a life long right. like iamnothere, who claims to be a poet, yet doesn’t want to say who they are.
whilst being understanding of this, ppl like that are my intellectual inferiors, further behind on the learning than i, and after 18 months i learnt that all this pretending to be a fickob123 concreteknob MrBenders MsMad iamnotinteresting people whose own reality in language, their only card of who they are, they have not yet found a way of being that person, and thus all the stupid conversations about blah blah human rights, and one’s name being important.
The IT age has everyone conned, thinking they can solve their unhappiness by adopting a daft name.
So i am a fat geriatic in Gantano Bay hotel Cage and think, ooh, i am soh bored with modern shopping i need to talk to more interesting people, online, i wonder who knows most about Concrete poetic belief based on reality and a 1200 yr tradition.
Ooh, look, hi my name is titheadlicks and i am a concrete poet who cannot tell you my name, but trust me, i am dead knowledgeable about things, look, this is a puncture of me and my colleagyes looking smug. You may notice there are no women there, that is coz we are poets and sad gits without lifes who pretend to be more interesting than we are, and yah, alright iamnothere, 1000 quid for a handjob, a quick toss off of ooh, i dunno, a load of shite i will rip you off for and make you feel conned, pay me please, go online and hey look, there’s bummie and blah blah.
i am here for the Me too mob, not U2 get spending and fantasysing about a man in crepe lift shoes who just happens to be good at what he does, spreading love and peace machine online, me iamnothere, sorry you have crossed a line, yah, my arse mate/s..
June 23, 2008 at 7:32 am
I suspected that this thread would grow too complicated for me — too little time for blogging, now that I have to make up for not being able to think in the heat wave. Yes, that has ended, thank goodness. . . Particularly hard for me to reply to you, Des, since I don’t know what you said — as the doggerelist obviously did . . . snip-snip . . . what any of us would have done (including you, were you back in your old role at LitLovers, ahem.) . . . I have gathered that Iant won’t take off her mask. I’ve seen others try to get behind it, but she’s well within her rights innit?
dgg, well, because the Thing ran in from the outside, it could have been a wood rat. Must say I could weep for disappointment over your creature being no more remarkable than a mere something-or-other bird. If only it could have been a barn owl, for instance. . . but then I’d have been jealous.
Dear Iant, if I hadn’t had recent proof that I’ve no powers of persuasion at all, I’d be saying, why put Angel in a stuffy old car when she has wings? . . .Yes I saw what lovely Parisa said about Mrs Moore. She must have read APTIndia too many years ago to remember the character.
June 23, 2008 at 8:56 am
take no notice of me iamnot, Here is a very special place of safe controlled Play and Concret poetries being mixxed in the drum of the s/he in You and me, the Mind iamnot, and i am only playing with you, or rather, using yr name (not you the real person of course, you the letters) I A M N O T H E R E, as ciphers in an unconscious creative process, Creation, mummy and daddy Gia, god/s themselves every molecule and atom, and we, just the fuse through which lives are lit for a brief spell, untill the God of death, Don here, calls us to return and knowing iamnothere is dead, say, and a person called, for example, Betty who writes as iamnothere who i got to know and was fond of, online, well that would be different, i may send my condolences by way of a card perhaps, if i had Betty’s home details, but if iamnothere got it, well, i wouldn’t even know.
and i am only here for research, nowt personal, but it is ruthless in the doggo bloggerislt world, as every one has an opinion on Concrete poetry.
Some say it is passed through the body and others the soul. s/he tells Us the people: we the sidhe (only messin) are real as Intellectual construct, concrete psychic force, in the mix of whatever Concrete knowledge on concrete poetry, s/he the anon holds.
So if you have any questions on this form of Creation, fear not to ask dearest moo’er, i love you iamnothere and want to sell you some of myself. 2 billion for a sample of the dna for you to create a mini me with.
if you send me the cash i will have a quick shufty now and send it straight out, and then you iamnothere, can bring a special Concrete poet into this world, and teach her, (i hope it is a girl) the many majestic things her Father created for the world, the concrete poetry business, maybe i could pull a few strings and get my own child a job being an undercover unemployed Planet saver, what do you think?
June 23, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Wordnerd,
Firstly Angela is invisible and
secondly it was Iamhere, not me, who wished Angela in the car; likely because she needs protection from herself!
…
Des,
Why don’t you try comedy?
June 23, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I am here has asked to use my computer, I will watch.
…
Hi Wordy,
You seem very nice and very intelligent, don’t worry about anything Iamnothere says, ’cause ’she isn’t!’
and to enlighten both you and Des. I don’t remember Iamnothere saying she was a poet, she may write ‘poetry,’ but in my book that doesn’t make her a poet.
June 23, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Four separate posts above from maturity rescued from the spambat – *not* vetoed by me, note, it’s an automatic process and not foolproof.
June 23, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Steve,
My posts now are over the top with the inclusion of the lost ones. Can you delete 208 and 209.
Thank you
June 23, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Likewise, Steve
Can you delete my 210 and I know maturity would wish her 207 to disappear.
June 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Are there gremlins. Did the post numbers change?
Iamnothere is asking for posts that she did not write to be deleted? Also martha?
That’s it, we all need a holiday.
June 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I deleted the ones requested; and yes, as a consequence, subsequent posts were automatically renumbered.
June 23, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Thanks doggerelist,
So we are not going mad; I’ll spare you commenting on that!
btw re advertising. Have not seen any. But if you are not making something from this site, well I wouldn’t wish to be placing comments; therein my angelic inclinations.
June 23, 2008 at 4:30 pm
It shouldn’t need saying, but just to be absolutely clear: I’ve not received a penny from anyone in connection with this blog….nor is it my intention to do so….you’d think if this *was* intended as a money-making exercise, I’d post something a bit more inviting than silly rhymes and also plug the site much more aggressively….
If ads are seen here (and this all relates to a comment I made on the following post, “doggerelology….”, btw) they’re placed by WordPress and any click-through payments go directly to them….it’s unlikely they’d bother with this one as the traffic isn’t high enough; although the outgoing link I mentioned on the other thread is curious….
June 23, 2008 at 4:35 pm
….now, bizarrely, on rechecking, the record of that outgoing link has disappeared….an echo from someone else’s blog, perhaps? So probably there are no ads to worry about here….
June 23, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Steve,
I didn’t come here for WordPress. I can understand an agent’s fee but personally I think that is all they are entitled to. I signed into nothing for them.
June 23, 2008 at 4:37 pm
….now, bizarrely, on rechecking, the record of that outgoing link has disappeared….an echo from someone else’s blog, perhaps? So probably there are no ads to worry about here….
June 23, 2008 at 4:44 pm
One has to be realistic: I don’t pay WP for hosting the blog, but they have to make money from somewhere….but I emphasise, there’s little likelihood of ads being placed on a tinpot blog such as this….if nobody’s seen any, they’re simply not there….best to forget I mentioned them….
June 23, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Oh boy,
I wish I had known; I have been extending myself for a group I have no connection with…..mind you I did have the vibes…
it is all falling into place though
WordPress..not impressed
June 23, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Maturity says,
Have no idea what you signed up to Steve, but…
I have a sense of fair play for contract terms,
and don’t worry you did not divulge anything.
June 24, 2008 at 2:01 am
‘don’t worry about anything Iamnothere says, ’cause ’she isn’t!’’
Poor little head is spinning like a top, I am here. Cannot work out why the one who is not has control of the machine . . . So, nerd not the least bit intelligent, as you see.
Doggerelist, may I please have back my Ming pottery icon — the closest I’ll ever get to owning any?
No, cannot see any ads, thank goodness, with or without Javascript.
June 24, 2008 at 2:15 am
wordnerd – I can’t determine which icon appears – but *you* can, depending on which email you give when posting….
June 24, 2008 at 2:19 am
….and if you’ve forgotten which one you used to generate the Ming….I can email the answer on request….